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[Indoorsman]

Swift *****, on 29 March 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

I suppose a good rule of thumb is that your leg armor combined should be no less than your CT front. Probably no more than that either. It's a balancing act. But yeah, chances are if I see anything not boating lasers, I'm aiming for the knee.

IMO, for lights max armor everywhere unless you need to remove half a ton and then take if from legs arms and head. For mediums and heavies half a ton off legs wih an odd bit off the arms. For assaults I take up to 1.5 tons off my Atlas. I have several max armor mechs I usually only cut armor due to odd half ton engines.

[Splinters]

I've had a lot of fun legging Atlas' who go below 40 armor. It happens quite often and one 10-point shot (PPC, AC10, 2x ML's, etc) can tell the tale pretty quickly on a heavy target.

I do it every so often just to let people know that skimping on leg armor is a bad idea. Many a Centurions and Catapults found this out the hard way IMO.

-S

[darkkterror]

The thing is I don't really think I can justify making room (tonnage wise) to put that armor back on my legs when I so rarely get legged to begin with. Don't get me wrong, I don't think I skimp too terribly on leg armor, but that leg armor is generally the first thing I think of when I need an extra 0.5-1, maybe 2 tons (in the case of, say, one of my Atlases).

I've been playing the game since December and I think I can still count how many times I've lost even a single leg on one hand. I'm not actually keeping count or anything...maybe, just maybe, I'd need two hands to count the number of times I've lost a leg. It certainly happens extremely rarely (though I don't pilot lights very much, I'm mostly Heavy or Assault).

If I suddenly start getting legged much more often, then I will see about beefing up that leg armor.

[Tamion Evans]

Well to start off if you are going to be going for the legs, there are going to be a lot of factors to do it and not to do it. As in lights, they have so little armor expecialy on the legs. Shoot them up. The med and heavy classes have some armor, but people going to put big guns / lots of guns on theses builds and keep the speed they sheer armor off the legs first. As far as the assults class it is a lot of amor to go through on a 100 ton mech but at 80 toner it a lot less, that makes a big difference.

[SchwarzerPeter]

Well this depends manly on your mech you are driving.
My Jenner has almost maxed armor exept some points from the arms. Legs max since its get shooten the most.

My other mechs also run near max armor with some stripped from the legs. Usually down the next round ton to max loadout. Cant remember being legged in a non light once. At least not when im not dead anyway.
So legs are still the best place to put ammo, since CASE is useless with an XL.

Also i never go for the legs, unless its a light or already beaten up. CT kill them way faster. And yes, please try to leg me in my DDC, i will thank you in advance.

And there was this glory moment in my Jenner: Base defending against 2 others, im the only one left and clock is ticking down. I manage to kill one, but i am badly beaten up. The other one (a catapult) legs me and is 20m next to me. I circle around, aim for his head and boom, alpha-onehit-headshot, match won.
He would have killed me if he just have aimed for my CT though.

So allways try to kill not to criple. A wounded mech still hurts badly

[Indoorsman]

SchwarzerPeter, on 29 March 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

And there was this glory moment in my Jenner: Base defending against 2 others, im the only one left and clock is ticking down. I manage to kill one, but i am badly beaten up. The other one (a catapult) legs me and is 20m next to me. I circle around, aim for his head and boom, alpha-onehit-headshot, match won.
He would have killed me if he just have aimed for my CT though.

I had a "glory" game just yesterday unfortunately hard drive was full otherwise I'd have video. It was me in my JR7-F vs a beaten up Cataphract, and full hp Stalker and Atlas. Well I finish coring the Cataphract... and then I double legged both the Stalker and the Atlas. Was Frozen City so I had plenty of buildings to use for cover as I ran around. It didn't matter where the Stalker/Atlas were looking as I rounded a corner since I was going for legs. It took awhile to take out that first leg, but once I did the other 3 went much faster.

[ZeusAlbatros]

Max leg armor on lights the rst is fine with a 30ish amount.

[Murku]

ZeusAlbatros, on 30 March 2013 - 01:39 AM, said:

Max leg armor on lights the rst is fine with a 30ish amount.

My Spider 3D with 2 LL thanks all you leg armor skimpers. 18dmg every 4 secs, no overheating.
Don't bother trying to leg mediums or heavies, but yes, Assaults and Lights do go down quicker if legged first.

255XL /DHS, endo, ferro, ECM, 2LL. (mounting JJ is asking to be killed)
Av 400dmg/match, mostly provided by slow response (slower when legged) fatties. And that's all the mech, I'm an average pilot at best.

[MustrumRidcully]

TarkaTarquol, on 28 March 2013 - 09:29 PM, said:

Why tell people about it when you can just keep having people skimp on Leg armour and keep those lovely legging kills coming. :3

Advanced battle psychology. Now everyone will put more armour on their legs, which means everyone knows that shooting legs is pointless now, so Indoorsman can keep his leg armour down and install more weapons heat sinks.

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 30 March 2013 - 04:51 AM.

[Indoorsman]

MustrumRidcully, on 30 March 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:

Advanced battle psychology. Now everyone will put more armour on their legs, which means everyone knows that shooting legs is pointless now, so Indoorsman can keep his leg armour down and install more weapons heat sinks.

lol, devious

[Smk]

I run 60 each leg for my atlas and I'll thank you in advance for letting me keep all my weapons. I'll take every easy kill I can get.

[Stingz]

MustrumRidcully, on 30 March 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:

Advanced battle psychology. Now everyone will put more armour on their legs, which means everyone knows that shooting legs is pointless now, so Indoorsman can keep his leg armour down and install more weapons heat sinks.

SRM/LRM fire is great for checking what parts have armor, sprays all over the place anyways.

I pity the foolish Stalker that striped leg armor, legged by my old -4H in 2 shots each leg.

[Skadi]

I legged some poor stalker filming a match from NGNG last night with my 2AC20 jager... it only took 2 alphas...

[slayerkdm]

You leggers must be an elusive group, I never see you out there. Hmmm, maybe I do, are you are the slag heap I just made with my AC20 as you nibbled at my ankles? smile.

Good discussion though, really.

(Likely next game Ill see one of these familar names associated with the phrase.........slayer has been killed by.) lol.

[Cerberias]

Lol, a spider without the jj. I dont get it, jj's are an amazing tool, giving great tactical advantage, for only a small tonnage, and people don't use them...

[80Bit]

TELEFORCE, on 29 March 2013 - 09:06 AM, said:

IIRC leg kills grant more salvage bonus c-bills.

Legging a mech grants substantially more salvage bonus. I have noticed that on the rare occasion I leg someone rather then core them, the salvage bonus is in the 40-50k range instead of the 20-30k. This is especially true of mechs large mechs with XL engines.

[Raynz]

80Bit, on 30 March 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

Legging a mech grants substantially more salvage bonus. I have noticed that on the rare occasion I leg someone rather then core them, the salvage bonus is in the 40-50k range instead of the 20-30k. This is especially true of mechs large mechs with XL engines.

That's because the salvage bonus is a % of the value of all the still in tact components fitted on the destroyed enemy mechs. The engine is by far the most expensive part of the mech, but is usually destroyed.

[Murku]

Cerberias, on 30 March 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

Lol, a spider without the jj. I dont get it, jj's are an amazing tool, giving great tactical advantage, for only a small tonnage, and people don't use them...

'cus fitting in 2 Large Lasers is a better tool...

[Gigastrike]

Perhaps this thread should be about telling people why going for the the legs is worthwhile, rather than why we should armor up. I skimp like crazy, and in recent memory I've only been legged twice. Once by LRMs when their trajectory was screwed up, and again by someone who only went for the legs because I had jumped off 2 cliffs beforehand.

As long as no one goes for the legs, I will continue to skimp, and I'm not going to be swayed by someone who's just saying why they should.

[Indoorsman]

Gigastrike, on 31 March 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

Perhaps this thread should be about telling people why going for the the legs is worthwhile, rather than why we should armor up.

What's the difference? I talked about why going for legs is worthwhile in the first post, and therefore you shouldn't skimp leg armor.