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[yashmack]

One Medic Army, on 30 March 2013 - 02:02 AM, said:

Unless they put in an unannounced buff all CASE does is prevent ammo explosion damage from overflowing from a side torso to CT.
Since an XL engine dies with the side torso the prevention of overflow damage is irrelevant.
It mattered in TT when it kept the pilot alive, it does not matter here.

Also, despite running something similar in my D (std 300, 2x AC2, 2xLRM10, 2xLPL, TAG) I would not be caught dead in the OP's build.

CASE keeps the ammo explosion contained, it wont blow up the remaining ammo and it does limited damage to internals with CASE
that is my experience with it anyway...

[One Medic Army]

yashmack, on 30 March 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

CASE keeps the ammo explosion contained, it wont blow up the remaining ammo and it does limited damage to internals with CASE
that is my experience with it anyway...

And you're wrong. The devs have stated that they may do something like this in the future to give CASE a reason to exist with XL engines, but CASE only prevents your CT from taking damage, it does nothing to stop the side torso getting blown clean off.
That being said, if you've used up the ammo in a side torso Betty will still report "ammo destroyed" and you will take no damage. Likewise if you only have minimal ammo left it may not blow out your side torso at all.

[Thorn Hallis]

Well, this probably really IS the best support DDC. But unfortunatly its on the same level as a scout Atlas.

[Vassago Rain]

Rhenis, on 30 March 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

You carry ECM to protect your allies. You carry thick armor to soak damage that would spell the end of them. You carry heavy weapons that quickly tear open the armor of lesser mechs and leave their ripe internals vulnerable to weak and damaged allies.

Your job is not to sit at the back of a fight and "support" by plinking people with AC2's and a PPC. Your job is to be at the front line smashing mechs with an AC20/ Gauss/ UAC5's, pounding them with SRM6's/SSRM's, and finishing them off with ML's/large lasers, while enshrouding your allies with a cloak of ECM. You paint your Atlas a bold primary color so everyone can see it and focus fire on you.

You are Warboss.

YOU DO NOT SUPPORT. YOU LEAD.

Unfortunately, most don't understand this.

[GODzillaGSPB]

Vassago Rain, on 30 March 2013 - 02:25 AM, said:

Unfortunately, most don't understand this.

Worst thing I've seen was a capping Atlas, barely having a scratch or touched his ammunition depot. -.-

[Rippthrough]

Thorn Hallis, on 30 March 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

Well, this probably really IS the best support DDC. But unfortunatly its on the same level as a scout Atlas.

It's not even close, back in the days when armour was bugged, and front line was death, us support D-DC's played like real men:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e10af48518a42f3

I've even stuck E-Z-Mode ECM in there with some of the spare space for you. (350 and more heatsinks is better though imo)

If you ain't up front brawling, all that armor ain't helping nobody, it doesn't matter if you're fresh at the end of the match when there's 6 mechs bearing down on you.

Edited by Rippthrough, 30 March 2013 - 03:01 AM.

[aniviron]

My hunchback brawlers and I hope to see you on the field soon. :]

[El Penguin]

May want to tweak that up even if the items chosen were great. Could make use of 2.3 more tons. Also 250-300 damage is pretty low for an atlas (not to sound mean). Build a brawler atlas and strike correctly at the enemys face with your team following up and youll make a easy 600-800+ damage. Drop the XL too like others are saying. If you torso twist when needed on a atlas you can last pretty long. Good luck!

[General Taskeen]

Let the guy do what we wants.

The AC/2 should be switched to MG's though. MG's are better at killing things.

[Solomon Ward]

Thorn Hallis, on 30 March 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

Well, this probably really IS the best support DDC. But unfortunatly its on the same level as a scout Atlas.

In Lyran Commonwealth, Atlas scouts you.

[MN03]

Rippthrough, on 30 March 2013 - 02:59 AM, said:

It's not even close, back in the days when armour was bugged, and front line was death, us support D-DC's played like real men:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...e10af48518a42f3

I've even stuck E-Z-Mode ECM in there with some of the spare space for you. (350 and more heatsinks is better though imo)

If you ain't up front brawling, all that armor ain't helping nobody, it doesn't matter if you're fresh at the end of the match when there's 6 mechs bearing down on you.

Wow, zero armor? I want to meet that Atlas.

[jeffsw6]

In the dozen games I just played on my Atlas D-DC with an XL350, I died from torso destruction once, and CT death every other time (except rounds where I didn't die, I suppose.)

I just don't agree that the XL engine is automatic fail. Will you die sooner or more often? Probably, because I do not think the extra speed or lower weight (more armaments) totally offsets the additional vulnerability. However, if you are already losing major pieces of your mech, you are probably combat-ineffective except as something to draw enemy fire for a few more seconds.

I actually like the extra speed afforded me by an XL350 in a mastered Atlas. Believe it or not, I can sometimes out-maneuver other assault mechs so well that I can defeat them in a brawl without taking significant damage. If you thought a Commando staying behind you and lasering your back to death was bad, imagine being an STK unable to turn fast enough to aim any weapons at an Atlas.

EDIT: Here is the loadout I am playing right now
AS7-D-DC 614/614 armor, XL350 engine, ECM, 19 DHS, 99.2 tons
2 Lg Pulse Laser, 1 AMS w/1 ammo, 1 LRM15+artemis w/2 ammo, 1 UAC/5 w/3 ammo
Speed is 56.7K before efficiency bonus
I get minimal use out of SRMs. Maybe that's because of poor skill with them, but my biggest gripe about this build is the UAC/5 always jamming. No heat gripes, because it doesn't overheat, even brawling on the hot maps. That is a surprisingly good advantage.

The LRM launcher is my answer to annoying snipers even though I am not launching enough missiles to do real damage. Some enemies want to rush inside of my LRM range, and that is nice since I get to LPL them to death.

Edited by jeffsw6, 30 March 2013 - 04:04 AM.

[DerSpecht]

Support and atlas in one sentence seem wrong. Any hunchback or real supporter can outdamage you and contribute more to the team. What i absolutely hate are single LRM assault supporters that stay back and fling LRM while the real supporters try to duke it out with the enemy team on their own.

[GODzillaGSPB]

MN03, on 30 March 2013 - 03:45 AM, said:

Wow, zero armor? I want to meet that Atlas.

...look at his name.

[Rippthrough]

MN03, on 30 March 2013 - 03:45 AM, said:

Wow, zero armor? I want to meet that Atlas.

Many people did.

Usually whilst presumably screaming, 'oh, oh, oh, he got no armour, get him!' - and ignore the other 7 guys they've run through.

An atlas will take a surprising amount of punishment with no armour. And you tend to die in a fireball getting to it...

[lordlazarus]

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i play really well with this mech, that is a fact. even though its not a death machine its scary and has a pyschological affect on both teams

so grown ups and strong minded people will have no fear of you .

[B E E L Z E B U B]

General Taskeen, on 30 March 2013 - 03:38 AM, said:

Let the guy do what we wants. The AC/2 should be switched to MG's though. MG's are better at killing things.

you are simply mistaken. what this says to me is that you dont know how to use an AC2. they are deadly in the right hands. watch phil use them in the no guts no galaxy. if im single clicking and i am, i have high accuracy + range, lots of range. you can use any build to win and get kills, you just need the know how. with these 2 AC2s i get 4 damage every hit, and i hit a lot, where it matters.

DerSpecht, on 30 March 2013 - 03:56 AM, said:

Support and atlas in one sentence seem wrong. Any hunchback or real supporter can outdamage you and contribute more to the team. What i absolutely hate are single LRM assault supporters that stay back and fling LRM while the real supporters try to duke it out with the enemy team on their own.

says who? how can you explain my teams high winning rate when i play this mech? i get 1 kill and around 300 damge + I get all the attention (agro) so my teamates get to take free shots. im not way behind but im not the front man, im the middle man, which btw is what commanders do in real life - espicially in tank warfare. you know i have to see my targets to shoot my AC2s and my ERPPC so that means that im not behind just shooting my LRMs, this whole build depends on firing all weapons at the same time over long periods. i say i am a support mech because i never charge unless my whole team does, neither do i lead, i just see where the flock is going and i go too. now. 300 damage + 1 or maybe 2 kills per match + TAGing ECM targets + taking damage and drawing attention + countering light ecm and providing good ecm cover = good support mech.

[DerSpecht]

Karma Police, on 30 March 2013 - 04:33 AM, said:

says who? how can you explain my teams high winning rate when i play this mech? i get 1 kill and around 300 damge + I get all the attention (agro) so my teamates get to take free shots. im not way behind but im not the front man, im the middle man, which btw is what commanders do in real life - espicially in tank warfare. you know i have to see my targets to shoot my AC2s and my ERPPC so that means that im not behind just shooting my LRMs, this whole build depends on firing all weapons at the same time over long periods. i say i am a support mech because i never charge unless my whole team does, neither do i lead, i just see where the flock is going and i go too. now. 300 damage + 1 or maybe 2 kills per match + TAGing ECM targets + taking damage and drawing attention + countering light ecm and providing good ecm cover = good support mech.

I do the same with my hunchback and have an average of 500 dmg per game.

[Roughneck45]

Ew. That build makes me crgine.

As long as you like it I guess, but i'd be happy if I saw you on the opposite team.

Karma Police, on 30 March 2013 - 04:33 AM, said:

says who? how can you explain my teams high winning rate when i play this mech?

You have a low assault ELO and have been lucky with your teammates? Even you said you are only doing 250-300 damage.

[B E E L Z E B U B]

lordlazarus, on 30 March 2013 - 04:18 AM, said:

so grown ups and strong minded people will have no fear of you .

thats witty, but your scepticism is incorrect. for instance imagine your reaction being surprised by a jenner, vs an atlas.
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it is exactly because of all the comments here that this mech is beautifull. you are all under estimating your enemy and you are all predictable. when people see me and lock on to me, my details are so long that it confuses them. they dont know this build, they dont know what the hell im gonna do. by becoming a supporter i last the entire game thus providing good ecm cover for my team. you wanna charge go ahead, im never alone, you wanna snipe? go ahead ill out live a snipe war with you for sure. you wanna send your lights on me? go ahead i have streaks. what you cant do is lock on to me, unless you have TAG, then ill take my cover.