42 replies to this topic

[Rippthrough]

Anyone who dies to a single shoulder shot vs a 5/6PPC stalker, should try not standing still and playing peek-a-boo over a hill in a light.

Anything else, use case.

[Thunder Lips Express]

Signal27, on 30 March 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

You know, for all these complaints about mechs that boat 6 PPCs, I can't even remember the last time I actually saw one in game.

or have been killed by one...
the ammopunt of crying on these forums is rediculous...why i even come on here anymore is beyond me. the battlemech guides are useful however

[MadPanda]

Are people so bad that they can't even imagine hitting a moving target with a ppc? I see a lot of "don't stand still and you won't get hit" posts here. Really guys? It's not that hard to hit a moving target...

[neviu]

my 6 ppc stalker is my most played mech,

i love the tears people feed me when i shot them,

the new jagers whit dual gauss/ac20 are the most satisfiying to kill when they go cry and report you for so called aimbotting,

please keep on feeding me whit your tears,

[Tezcatli]

Just had a game with a 6 PPC Stalker on our side. He was of little use. He met his fate like a wounded bear being picked at by a pack of light mech wolves. In a big open map, to a point, I could see the use of it. But we were in River City and stuck in close in fighting.

Edit: I'll add though. No matter what game it is. Getting one shot, by anything, is never fun. Especially if you're new. For an Online PVP game, I personally feel there should never bee one shot mechanics, that's just bad balance.

Edited by Tezcatli, 30 March 2013 - 10:40 AM.

[Tragos]

Normally I'd agree, that 6PPC boats are quite useless. However, yesterday we tried them just for the fun of doing it.
Meaning: 1x Atlas RS with 2x ER /2x normal PPC and 2 STK with each 4 normal and 2 ERPPC. Last one was a dual AC20 Jager. Yes, those builds - alone - are not THAT useful. However, if you ONESHOT lights regularly at 500m (which happened quite a few times) and if anything bigger then a light simply explodes after a few seconds (since there are 16PPCs in one salvo - and cooling flush if needed + overheat provides 2 salvos...and possibly a third (with long cooldown). So is it useful? Not really, no...but it was funny and surprisingly effective.

[Nathan Foxbane]

I had two games yesterday on Caustic Valley with them on the other team. The first game we were warned by an ally that had dropped with or against that group earlier and they had three such Stalker and 2 twin ER and regular PPCs. We managed to defeat them the first game. The second game they brought a second 6 PPC Stalker, upping the count to four and it was a total slaughter. We had one kill. I do not think they are that great unless they are supporting eachother well. They are however like Splatcats used to be, very frustrating to play against.

[Loc Nar]

Probably the 5th or 6th time I've said this in the last few weeks, but go ahead and build a 6PPC STK and try to find the 'i win' button. It's not the unstoppable monster you think it is and in most cases are more of a liability to the OPPC pilot's k/d than to yours...

[Odanan]

I fought against a 6 PPCs Stalker boat recently in my own Streak + Medium Lasers Stalker and it doesn't look OP. I could have killed it if it was not backed by an ECM Spider.

[M0rpHeu5]

VoltarDark, on 30 March 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

It real sad to see a friend just new to the game cursing and stopping playing because he was killed by such monster. 6 x PPC or ERPPC = 60 dmg)

While it's sad to see new players leaving your friend propably isn't cut for competitive multiplayer games if he gives up so easily. Do not blame the game.

Edited by M0rpHeu5, 30 March 2013 - 11:14 AM.

[Tickdoff Tank]

6 PPCs hurt. No doubt about it. But the Stalker can not sustain the heat for long, you need to use that to your advantage. They are most dangerous at the beginning of the match, they have time to set up and their first couple of shots can be devastating. Even if they do not get many kills they do a great job of softening up their targets, very few mechs can take a concentrated 60 damage and ignore it.

But, once the general melee' begins those Stalkers (or any PPC boat) is at a severe disadvantage. They move slow, usually do not turn well, and they can not fire very often for full effect. Circle them, aim for a side torso, when that torso bows you will either kill them (if they mount an XL) or you will take 1/2 of their weaponry. Never stand still in front of one, never move slowly near one. Remember that they are dangerous as a sniper, but not as a brawler.

And it *is* tough on the new players, they have not learned how to deal with them yet and probably do not know where to look for snipers, and even if they see a sniper they most likely do not recognize it for what it is as quickly as a vet player. All I can say to that is.... MWO has a steep learning curve, and it is very unforgiving of new players. Stick with it, join a voice chat server and ask questions.

[LordBraxton]

VoltarDark, on 30 March 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Hello fellow pilots;

Even if boat aren't very good mechs, they can be a real pain for the average Joe trying to learn the game.

A mech able to one shot another one just by seeing a bit of his shoulder should not be in the game. It real sad to see a friend just new to the game cursing and stopping playing because he was killed by such monster. 6 x PPC or ERPPC = 60 dmg)

I thing they are a very negative aspect of the game, they hurt the fun factor of every one.

If such mech exist to sell coolant....that's bad very bad.

Just add a restriction stating that the max PPC Or ERPPC is 4 because that over that the strain is to much on the mech. (or something like that).

Laser boating is also a pain ( 6 x ER LASERS = 54 dmg) but less is critical.

I hope you do something to protect the fun factor of the game.

See you in game !

AC40s and ERPPC\Gauss hybrid snipers are way harsher on the nubbins IMHO

[WildeKarde]

Had a game earlier and 6 PPC stalker was in it, along with 2 PPC raven, 3 PPC hunchback, 3 PPC cataphract, 2 PPC / Gauss atlas.In fact every mech on the other team had multiple PPC's, no one on our side seemed to have the same setups. We didn't win ....

Now think how a new player feels loading in a game to play and vaporised in the first volley that hits him. They aren't going to dodge between building so much, if they step out to shoot and die straight away then it's not an enjoyable experience.

[El Bandito]

Jake Hendricks, on 30 March 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

Had a game earlier and 6 PPC stalker was in it, along with 2 PPC raven, 3 PPC hunchback, 3 PPC cataphract, 2 PPC / Gauss atlas.In fact every mech on the other team had multiple PPC's, no one on our side seemed to have the same setups. We didn't win .... Now think how a new player feels loading in a game to play and vaporised in the first volley that hits him. They aren't going to dodge between building so much, if they step out to shoot and die straight away then it's not an enjoyable experience.

I learned to dodge and weave after getting obliterated many, many times in my newbie days (my KDR was 0.3 at one point). Why can't others?

Edited by El Bandito, 30 March 2013 - 04:35 PM.

[megoblocks]

Erasus Magnus, on 30 March 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

if you can catch one alone, it isnt that much of a problem. but most of the time it is backed by several mechs that deliver close range support for the stalker. This IS a problem, if you run into a 6 ppc stalker that is backed up by an ac 20 jäger, an ecm ddc and a raven/commando that is constantly dashing around.

and this happens quite frequently. yesterday i did a MWO marathon, playing 12 hours in a row. at the beginnig everything was fine and fluffy. after a while i began to run into groups that were set up like this. combine this with frightening accuracy, you cannot advance to the stalker, without being torn to shreds by his backup crew, and if you stay at range, you are being sniped to death.

its unbelievable how good some people are at long distance sniping. they can leg a raven, cruising at way over 100 kph at distances well beyond 1km regularly.

TL;DR: one trick ponies (aka focussed builds) arent nearly half as bad if they are backed up by builds that complement them.

So you're saying people that play and support each other are dangerous. Got it,

[Ecouto]

PPCs are like key rings... The more, the cooler you are!

[Krazy Kat]

I do think that PPC's are OP. If you do the math with the energy weapons, heat per second vs. damage per second, PPC's are about the same as medium lasers. But with a much greater range. They should be a little hotter to balance them out.

[Xoxim SC]

El Bandito, on 30 March 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

PGI can do what MW4 did--implement weapon hardpoint system. Voila, no more Gauss in MG slot or PPC in ML slot.

I would love to see this, it would add a level of complexity that this game desperately needs. There are too many people using cookie cutter, 1 button wonder builds, and it takes away from the game.

[NRP]

Some of you people just crack me up. You've got all these opinions about how to nerf PPCs because they're OP. But I get the feeling you don't even use these weapons. Go build a 6 PPC stalker or a 5 PPC AWS 8Q and play a few games. Then come back and tell us how it went.

I think some of you just don't know what the hell you're talking about. You get killed by a particular weapon a few times and suddenly you're an expert on game and weapon balance.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

El Bandito, on 30 March 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

6 PPC/ERPPC Stalker is not a good build at all. People just complain loudly about it even though only a miniscule amount of kills were achieved by 6 PPC Stalkers.

PGI can do what MW4 did--implement weapon hardpoint system. Voila, no more Gauss in MG slot or PPC in ML slot.

Coolant has very limited use and is mostly good for brawling as sniping usually allows your mech to cool.

I for one ( any many of us veterans of MechWarrior 4) Do not want to see the same mistakes again. We do not want a MW4 Hardpoint system. But, alloted critical for specific weapon types would be good. Unfortunately, that would mean half of what you can do with a mech would be impossible.

Thankfully, that will not happen.