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[Hellen Wheels]

slimebucket, on 30 March 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Remmber eveyone, this is a beta....

I tell myself that every time I log in. But it doesn't feel like a beta anymore. It feels like ... a shooter. It feels like whack-a-mech. And MWO shouldn't be like that at this stage.

The vast majority of people who drop into a game have one thing in mind: win as quickly as possible by any means possible.

That is not a beta mindset.

In light of the most recent debacle, I know this idea will sound insane, but I like to think outside the box.

If PGI needs cash, then promote a "Gamma" package (gamma being the next Greek letter after Beta...)

People who buy a Gamma package get put in to a REAL beta phase (where they TEST sweet things, like a lobby system, the CW system, the Clan intrusion, THE META GAME that is, and aren't stuck in whack-a-mech, as we all are now.....)

Being up front about the need for monetization is, I think, the key to survival now.

Need money? Fine. Just sell us something that's worth the buy...not paint, not Hero mechs that aren't worth a flip anyway, not top hats, not flush............SELL US SOMETHING GOOD.

Edited by Hellen Wheels, 31 March 2013 - 11:22 AM.

[Noobzorz]

Once they let you pay money, this argument is invalidated.

[Krell Darkmoon]

Firstly, it's important to reiterate that the standard retail ALPHA/BETA definitions do not necessarily apply to online Free to Play (F2P) games. MechWarrior Online will always be in development, which means exciting new features and content will roll out frequently.

Beta in MWO will never end.......

[Gremlich Johns]

IceCase88, on 30 March 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

I do not remember them "taking" my money.

Semantics - they are willing to accept our money for a sub-standard product that has every appearance of remaining so for the near future. (you sound like a Democrat, btw, or a Union leader)

This is, based on the fact that they are charging money for things and people are giving them said money for said things, one of the poorest game offerings in recent memory.

[Henree]

Hellen Wheels, on 31 March 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

I tell myself that every time I log in. But it doesn't feel like a beta anymore. It feels like ... a shooter. It feels like whack-a-mech. And MWO shouldn't be like that at this stage.

The vast majority of people who drop into a game have one thing in mind: win as quickly as possible by any means possible.

That is not a beta mindset.

In light of the most recent debacle, I know this idea will sound insane, but I like to think outside the box.

If PGI needs cash, then promote a "Gamma" package (gamma being the next Greek letter after Beta...)

People who buy a Gamma package get put in to a REAL beta phase (where they TEST sweet things, like a lobby system, the CW system, the Clan intrusion, THE META GAME that is, and aren't stuck in whack-a-mech, as we all are now.....)

Being up front about the need for monetization is, I think, the key to survival now.

Need money? Fine. Just sell us something that's worth the buy...not paint, not Hero mechs that aren't worth a flip anyway, not top hats, not flush............SELL US SOMETHING GOOD.

yea come on IGP, sell gamma packages I am sure you have a few more projects to finance!
Tell PGI to sell it to us like something they came up with.

[Elandyll]

The actual answer to the OP's post is this.

MWO at this point in time is a just a BOINK.


Beta
Only
In
Name
Kid
...

Edited by Elandyll, 31 March 2013 - 12:09 PM.

[verybad]

It's not really a beta, it's a soft release so they can make money while stillworking on it. This is pretty much what all F2P games are doing at this point.

[sC4r]

slimebucket, on 30 March 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Remember eveyone, this is a beta.

remember man this is f2p game... open beta= released game

enjoy your stay

[Sabazial]

Yeah, this game stopped being a beta long ago.

[Gremlich Johns]

I would also debate the word "exciting"

[IceCase88]

Gremlich Johns, on 31 March 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

Semantics - they are willing to accept our money for a sub-standard product that has every appearance of remaining so for the near future. (you sound like a Democrat, btw, or a Union leader)

This is, based on the fact that they are charging money for things and people are giving them said money for said things, one of the poorest game offerings in recent memory.

Not that politics has anything to do with it but you are on the total wrong side of the political spectrum with your guess which really made me ROFLMFAO! US Constitution carrying, gun toting, NRA card carrying, Gadsden flag loving, Capitalist here. I believe the product is extremely good and provides me with hours of entertainment. Being the Capitalist I am I believe in rewarding for a good product that has some flaws but is constantly being worked on. Updates/upgradess/patches are all consistent with any software. Obviously the game is playable and enjoyable to you since you are still here. I am even willing to spend more money on the game even though Canadians ( ) are developing it because I find it so enjoyable.

[DegeneratePervert]

http://en.wikipedia....ease_life_cycle

Read it. This is Beta. Not all features are in, it hasn't gone gold.

[slimebucket]

people always want the best of both worlds.


They want what is great at side A, but they also look at side B and want whats over there.


Everyone does it, act slightly hypocritical. For example, many people say "I don't believe in religion, or an after life or god... BUT I do believe in LOVE" or, on one hand they will bash the justice system for not working, but then right after will talk down to someone trying to convince them that the law system is all we have, and it works and it is what provides our safety.

Same is with this beta. Beta is supposed to be when you test the game and get it prepped before you really start trying to make profit from it. Once it is gold, that is when you are supposed to be then working on getting profit.

But this beta, they are just working on things that make them profit. Only thing they work on that does not make them profit lately is new maps, that is new content, and something in need of testing.

New mechs, are nice, but they are not as important as getting everything about the game engine figured out, and the game brought out of beta. Sure new mechs need to be tested as well, but they still use all the same weapons and systems as everything else.


People are getting all upset because PGI isn't realeasing new mechs as fast as they said they would, but I actually would prefer if they didn't realase any mechs for a month and worked strickly on fixing game breaking bugs and problems.

Machines guns, no matter what need to be worked on. They honestly could take them out of the game right now, and no one would even notice. I have seen testing done that shows they only do %90 of advertised damage, and even the advertised damage is too low. Either make a reason to use these, or increase their usefulness please.

Map bugs are game breakers. If map bugs, and you cannot tell what way your legs are facing, your screwed

Please for the love of god make an in cockpit indicator of the direction of the legs other than a line on the map.

Please adjust weapons and their ranges for the larger maps. You make it clear this game is going towards larger maps, but the weapons are all close quarter ranges and styles. The long distance weapons at the moment, such as LRM's and PPC's need to be tweaked

Please, since the update at the start of march the actionmap.xml is screwing up a lot of peoples peripherals. for some reason it sets a lot of the commands to index="2" instead of index="1"

Please make a method you can attempt to re join a game you have been disconnected from, or if someone disconnects right at the start, make a way the game can re fill that sot with another player if the game is still within the first 2 minutes of play.



In my opinion, once a game stops doing character and account "wipes" and is charging real money for currency and in game items the game is officially a full online game. Sure it might be in development and improving, but it is still a full game.

To argue that it is still having stuff added in and features made, and it is not full of all its features yet there for it is beta, is like saying World Of Warcraft is STILL BETA because they are still working on features and add-ons for that game...

[Roadbeer]

I posted in this thread previously?

Huh, who knew.

[TheCas]

Roadbeer, on 01 April 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

I posted in this thread previously?

Huh, who knew.

ur like herpe-s roadbeer.....ur alwasy there and theirs nothing we can do to get rid of u

Edited by Kalley, 01 April 2013 - 03:26 PM.

[jeffsw6]

You'd think they would spend the remaining "beta" time getting weapon/mech balances right before it is "released" and players have a legitimate right to gripe about future balance-breaking changes.

For example, the Machine Gun and Flamer are worthless. No guns below 6 tons, yet a CDA with 4 ballastic mounts has no viable way to use them.

Why do they invest time in making all the graphics/model right for mechs before introducing them? Just copy the model for an existing mech, scale the size or something, give it hardpoints, and find out if it is over-powered (or under.) The model and graphic can come later.

So there will be game-breaking balance changes in the future because they have not used the opportunity to figure out what to do now, or else the gripes that players currently have (like no light-weight guns that are effective) will remain permanently. Those are the only two possible outcomes.

[Gremlich Johns]

IceCase88, on 31 March 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

Being the Capitalist I am I believe in rewarding for a good product that has some flaws but is constantly being worked on. Updates/upgradess/patches are all consistent with any software.

That highlighted bit makes us all stupid sheep if we are contributing to mediocrity.

[Krell Darkmoon]

Buddahcjcc, on 31 March 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

http://www.polygon.c...ild-and-faction

apparently it WILL
And after a 4-5 month CB and less than a year OB.

I don't know, they like to Flip Flop a lot...........

[Brethgar]

If it's beta, give us stuff to test as fast as you can so we can give you feedback and break it/bugreport it, BEFORE it gets released to the ... public?... wait...

If it's not beta, listen to my complaints and fix problems with your product.