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[Mavairo]

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking ourlead on mech builds on this forum, instead of using some fail TT port.

The Dragon is a good example, while yes it doesn't maximise the 5N's hard points, and yes it could be better it's a hell of a good starter mech to learn on.

(Also the fact that using all 3 ballistic slots is Impossible, and having an actually Good mech afterwards. You can blame MGs sucking, and a lack of Light Auto Cannons for that)

I do have to wonder though why you went with a stock 8Q. The Awesome is bad enough as it is, but leaving her bone stock? Seriously?
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...20f55cd93b7e7b9 This verision is superior in every way and it doesn't even change the weapons out. Now obviously, this 8Q isn't even optimal either, for what it is but it's still a far cry over that stocker.

I thought the idea with this crop of trial mechs was to whet people's appetite?

Now that, that is out of the way, the Dragon again was a great start to using -our- expertise instead of some terrible setup that no one ever uses once they get their first half a million cbills.

Now lets do it to the other trials okay?

Edited by Mavairo, 02 April 2013 - 04:21 PM.

[General Taskeen]

I'm sure the Trial Light's are enjoying the 4X with the 2 joke MG's on it.

Instead of PGI balancing the weapons or whatever they brought into the game stock in some context (a different queue), they put a band aid on a Trial. Your link also points out a problem when SHS are viable only in limited cases, and thus an upgrade to DHS is best in most cases. Why should the Stock 8Q be a Heat Monster™ or a 4X the Gimp with its stock MG's? The answer is, they shouldn't due to long standing balance issues with the game. And no, I don't care if those stock builds were historically, not as good in TT. This being a real-time game, surely there are ways to make them viable by better game design. Just something.

But, apparently that's too much to ask.

I already tested other Mechs posted in that build a Heavy thread too. Someone posted the Stock Record Sheet Catapult-K3, so I decided to test it. What happens for a straight upgrade to DHS?



2 ER PPC, 2 ML, 2 MG (the only useless part, which I barely used), straight upgrade to 20 DHS, stock armor, with no skills unlocked

http://goodsects.got...White_White.png

The K2 Stock Awful suddenly goes to the K3 Stock Amazing. I hadn't even bought or used a K2 since the last mech bay reset and new stats, so it was a fresh start on a brand new K3. I remember testing the stock K2 and it is sad that there is such a disparity between a K2 and a K3. So obviously certain TT ports aren't fail and some are. I've more or less tested all Trials from closed beta and on, and created multiple Mechs based on record sheets (CSR-3R, HBK-4G Shakir, HBK-6N, STK-3Fb, AS7-WGS, DRG-5K, COM-5S, AWS-9Q, etc.).

Edited by General Taskeen, 02 April 2013 - 04:59 PM.

[Dreamslave]

The 5NC is still pretty terrible. A mech going at 80-something kph with an XL engine is a GIGANTIC liability and whoever created it should be ashamed.

[Taj the White Tiger]

I wonder if trial mechs are just an elaborate troll by PGI for pubbie tears. Because we all know Paul needs pubbie tears to keep his skin looking "youthful"

Edited by Taj the White Tiger, 02 April 2013 - 05:01 PM.

[Mavairo]

Dreamslave, on 02 April 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

The 5NC is still pretty terrible. A mech going at 80-something kph with an XL engine is a GIGANTIC liability and whoever created it should be ashamed.

Actually the XL in the dragon is abit harder to hit than you think it is. I left the 300 in a couple of my dragon builds to up their firepower. Once you have torso twisting down and know when to put the arms in the way it gets rather hard to hit the fairly small hit boxes for the dragons STs.

That being said I think it could be better, the gauss is just too heavy for a 60 tonner. He could have put a bigger XL in there easy with an AC10. (next most powerful weapon for a dragon)

It's functional though, and that's a far cry over even the other trial mechs that are present in this and every other previous introduction period.
(remember that 1C?)

Edited by Mavairo, 02 April 2013 - 05:07 PM.

[Dreamslave]

Mavairo, on 02 April 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

Actually the XL in the dragon is abit harder to hit than you think it is. I left the 300 in a couple of my dragon builds to up their firepower. Once you have torso twisting down and know when to put the arms in the way it gets rather hard to hit the fairly small hit boxes for the dragons STs.

That being said I think it could be better, the gauss is just too heavy for a 60 tonner. He could have put a bigger XL in there easy with an AC10. (next most powerful weapon for a dragon)

It's functional though, and that's a far cry over even the other trial mechs that are present in this and every other previous introduction period.
(remember that 1C?)

It might be hard to hit for an inexperienced pilot, but anybody worth their salt can take down an XL toting dragon in seconds. The Dragons arms do a poor job of covering the side torso's as well. The heat efficiency on the 5NC is very very nice, but that's the only thing the mech has going for it.

[Franchi]

Mavairo, on 02 April 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

Actually the XL in the dragon is abit harder to hit than you think it is. I left the 300 in a couple of my dragon builds to up their firepower. Once you have torso twisting down and know when to put the arms in the way it gets rather hard to hit the fairly small hit boxes for the dragons STs.

That being said I think it could be better, the gauss is just too heavy for a 60 tonner. He could have put a bigger XL in there easy with an AC10. (next most powerful weapon for a dragon)

It's functional though, and that's a far cry over even the other trial mechs that are present in this and every other previous introduction period.
(remember that 1C?)

A dragons XL is EASY to hit, putting a poor trial noob in that death trap is a crime against humanity, but that is what you get when you let the Goons build your new trial mech. The K3 is VASTLY superior, heck the K2 is the best "stock" trial mech.

[Mavairo]

Dreamslave, on 02 April 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

It might be hard to hit for an inexperienced pilot, but anybody worth their salt can take down an XL toting dragon in seconds. The Dragons arms do a poor job of covering the side torso's as well. The heat efficiency on the 5NC is very very nice, but that's the only thing the mech has going for it.

And that particular dragon would be in the hands of inexperienced pilots against other inexperienced pilots (we all know ELO doesn't actually work, but that's another thread).

XL is the only way though that you're going to get anything like good firepower in a dragon and have any armor left.

Does anyone know the exact armor settings of this trial dragon?


My STs are the last thing to go on me usually in my dragons. If ya'll are pullin easy shots on a dragons STs he's either coming at you straight on, or not moving.

[General Taskeen]

Mavaro, on 02 April 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

(remember that 1C?)

Well I'm sure Trials do, and people with time to kill getting bored from min/max warrior like me. A Stock 1C is painful, but it shouldn't have to be.

Franchi, on 02 April 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

A dragons XL is EASY to hit, putting a poor trial noob in that death trap is a crime against humanity, but that is what you get when you let the Goons build your new trial mech. The K3 is VASTLY superior, heck the K2 is the best "stock" trial mech.

I believe it was Wizard Steve who posted the K3. So Thumbs Up to him for posting a Record Sheet Mech. The MG's are poor in both cases, but the straight upgrade to DHS shows the major disparity. It was absolutely easy, for a vet player like me, to achieve 20-0 with it. The stock K2 is marginally 'ok,' but still poor as a heat monster. I prefer challenge builds and testing these problems of PGI's game balance choices.

Edited by General Taskeen, 02 April 2013 - 05:25 PM.

[Mavairo]

Yeah I was pulling for the K3. I think even if it had won though it might not have been put in, since no other mech really highlights just how bad single heat sinks really are than the K3 vs K2.

[MonkeyCheese]

Dreamslave, on 02 April 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

The 5NC is still pretty terrible. A mech going at 80-something kph with an XL engine is a GIGANTIC liability and whoever created it should be ashamed.

If you have good awareness of your surroundings and don't go out out alone all Rambo there shouldn't be a problem, I don't really have a problem with the xl in my 9M Awesome and that thing is massive.

[MrPenguin]

Dreamslave, on 02 April 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

The 5NC is still pretty terrible. A mech going at 80-something kph with an XL engine is a GIGANTIC liability and whoever created it should be ashamed.

Then why did you guys vote for it?

[Edward Scissorhands]

Sheddie Fallen Likes This! Thank you For new Trial mechs!

Edited by Skeddie Fallen, 02 April 2013 - 05:57 PM.

[Franchi]

MrPenguin, on 02 April 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

Then why did you guys vote for it?

Lesson for the unwashed masses, Goons are the kings of swarm tactics and politics.

Besides lots of people were voting for it for the free kills.

[blacklp]

My ilya with an xl does not go 80kph and it strongly disagrees with the liability issue.
The more i play the more i see that all xl does is make good pilots good and bad pilots worse

[MrPenguin]

Franchi, on 02 April 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

Lesson for the unwashed masses, Goons are the kings of swarm tactics and politics.

Besides lots of people were voting for it for the free kills.

You see, this is why we can't have nice things.