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[Dalberon]

I've been seeing accusations flying about people cheating in the game. Accusations of using software that fires for you and even of having mechs that are modified to beyond the real.

Is any of this true? That is what killed my all time favorite game MageStorm.

[aniviron]

It's impossible to know for sure, but my guess is no. I have been playing competitive and semi-competitive FPS games for about a decade now, and generally players who are using aimbots (the most common accusation in this game) are able to consistently headshot every single opponent, have kill-death ratios of over 10, and their aim snaps to lock on target when you spectate them. I have yet to see this happen in-game.

It is possible that people are using wallhacks or other forms of cheating that are invisible to another person not also using the same hack, but again, I find this unlikely- mostly because this game allows you to target through walls and share targeting data, as well as coming with a built in rader, so the advantage gained from doing this is pretty minimal, and almost certainly not worth the risk.

[Ningyo]

I strongly suspect there is a very small amount of cheating (PGI says they have banned people for cheating, and are working on anti-cheating methods, so it almost certainly exists)

That said in games I have seen 2 times I think someone was cheating, and 4-5 someone might have been. This is out of about 2100 matches so far. At 7 teammates a match (easier to see on teammates when watching after you die. And say 1/4 of the matches I die early enough to watch a few people lets say I watched around 2000 players. So my experience is around 0.1% - 0.3% of players might be cheating. And one of them made up for his perfect instant aim with a really bad mech design and terrible playing so they sucked bad anyway.

So overall I would say cheating is at most a very minor problem in this game.


(oh and for people saying players just aim that good, the one that was a really bad player would turn his mech snap his reticle exactly to where the enemies head hitbox is, then shoot the arm of the awesome between him and the head, or the back of an atlas head. I have seen extremely good players that have spectacular aim but this one case I am near certain a really bad player was cheating badly lol)

Edited by Ningyo, 27 June 2013 - 05:57 PM.

[PEEFsmash]

Nobody is botting in this game. Maybe people are doing view-distance modification or something, but bringing in fake mechs or aimbotting just isn't happening. I hope it stays that way.

[AnnoyingCat]

we should stop talking about this

[Conraire]

It's possible. Especially in any PC online competitive game. People will do anything they can to get an advantage.

I think the nature of the game, with hard limits on torso and turning speeds, limits how well an aimbot would work, or how easily it would be detectable. Unless you're directly spectating that player and watch their reticule snap to a target location.

But I've also had my fair share of suspicious deaths as well. Like the insta head shot to a full armored heavy or assault mech, the second I even peak an obstacle while jumping. Or the people that seem to automatically know that you have an XL Engine or not. Couple times where I had two Cataphracts of the same model, 1 with XL, and the other with standard. The XL version got shouldered almost right off the bat and blew up. And the std version got cored by the same person the next time I saw them.

Otherwise I think it's like others have said. If anyone is cheating its most likely they're only using ESP/Wallhacks. Have ran into a few that kept firing missiles at me for a good 20 seconds after taking cover without having a target assist.

[Ningyo]

Very hard to know that noone can see you so they might have had a target assist, not saying a cheat could not allow this, but I suspect most or all cases of this is a ECM light or such targeting you from somewhere far off in the distance.


On the XL/STD issue, many good players will be able to tell this based on what weapons you are carrying (a really heavy loadout will require more tons free so an XL is probable). Also could be luck. Again a cheat might be possible but most cases are likely just a skilled or lucky player.

Edited by Ningyo, 27 June 2013 - 07:16 PM.

[Sephlock]

Neverfar, on 27 June 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

Apart from the mouse-based AC2 spam program, I haven't confirmed anything.

Fixed that for you.

[Sug]

Is it cheating if I turn up my brightness and contrast settings on the night maps?

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Sug, on 27 June 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

Is it cheating if I turn up my brightness and contrast settings on the night maps?

No, just common sense.

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

there will always be cheaters, and it will always be the responsibility of the rule makers to enforce those rules. What I'm trying to say is it's not the cheater's fault for breaking the rules, but the fault of the dictating entity for failing to enforce their rules. yes the person who broke them should be punished as per stipulation of the rules, but the rule making body is equally at fault. Of course then again, what's the point of rules if nobody breaks them?

besides, is it really cheating if it doesn't break any rules in the first place? Just because you won't do it or don't like doesn't give you an excuse to complain unless you don't mind looking like a fuzzy bunny

Edited by Battlecruiser, 27 June 2013 - 07:43 PM.

[TheGreatNoNo]

Yes there are cheaters, but rare enough that I will always assume better skill.

[Victor Morson]

Dalberon, on 27 June 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

I've been seeing accusations flying about people cheating in the game. Accusations of using software that fires for you and even of having mechs that are modified to beyond the real.

Is any of this true? That is what killed my all time favorite game MageStorm.

The only form of cheat/exploit I am aware of (and located on accident, I won't be revealing details here, I emailed tech support already) was a way to "switch off" the objects in the game (ships, mountains, etc.) which would allow you to see & lock targets through them, and in turn, relay this info to the whole team.

I have a feeling that many client-side hacks could replicate this effect without much trouble, since sensors appear to be client side and not server side.

Other than that, I've seen absolutely no compelling evidence of anything even close to an aimbot or the like.

Edited by Victor Morson, 27 June 2013 - 08:58 PM.

[Jasen]

Sug, on 27 June 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

Is it cheating if I turn up my brightness and contrast settings on the night maps?

Which is why most games don't even try to use low light level as some sort of handy-cap in online pvp games...

[Kaspirikay]

I can confirm that there are speed hacks for this game. Aimbots, not completely sure, but it's possible.

[Conraire]

I honestly think some people lag tapping/Lag switching has been more of a problem in this game than a lot of other things.

[Red squirrel]

Isn't Seismic a cheat?

[Ningyo]

No wallhack is a cheat, seismic is a module that clones wallhack but with a range of only a quarter of most maps.

So um well seismic is a really bad idea of a devs that got put into the game and even they admit is too powerful and have said they will make (presently unknown) changes to it. (I suspect range will be reduced to 200 or 300, as that is easiest, though other interesting ideas have been suggested by players that could actually make it interesting)

[Ralgas]

inb4 K-town.

If anyone is suspected report em via support email. They've already stated basic steps to combat certain suspected hacks will be implemented when the games a bit more complete so as to not hinder and slow down the patching and updating process.

Thread's like this are viewed as advertisement and encouragement for peeps to go looking for them, and will be bumped off in short order no matter the game.

Edited by Ralgas, 27 June 2013 - 11:09 PM.

[BoBo Jones]

someone said about a aimbot snapping onto a target to show that they are aimboting and yes its easy to notice. but the other kind of aimbot is where you aim and when you move your target over the enemy it will fire for you. that is a lot harder to notice.i say this from years of playing call of duty.
so far in game, i can say only a hand full of times ive thought that something was fishy. but most times i hear players call cheats is from not understanding that some people have vastly supirior pc that run better graphics and thus can see better or longer.
for me the definition of cheating is when someone does something to the game that makes there game different to what was intended by the makers of said game. so turning your contrast up/not a cheat . but adding something to the game progam to make the haze become clear so you can see clear across the map/cheating.
there is hardly a game out there that hasnt had a cheat made for it.a quick web search will show this.the question here is how much persentage of players in a game that are useing them.
for me the worst of all cheaters are the ones that cheat because others are cheating and they feal that they have to cheat just to keep up.

Edited by BoBo Jones, 27 June 2013 - 11:15 PM.