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[Kasiagora]

I mentioned this in a thread or two before, but I'm gonna make it its own topic here.

Since we don't have any Unseen mechs running around, would anyone be interested in spending the money for a JagerMech hero mech that's got the hard points of a Rifleman? It would be 5 tons heavier than a Rifleman should be, but the Jager's arms already look pretty much like the Rifleman's and I think it would make a lot of older players happy. It would just have an AC/5 and a Large Laser in each arm, and a medium laser in each side torso. There aren't any Rifleman variants that need more than 6 total hard points, which is less than any of the Jagers, but whatever.

If it was reasonably priced I'd definitely be interested, and I'm curious to see if other players would be interested too. My hope is that if this is something enough people want, the devs might make it happen.

[Since this is my first attempt at making a poll topic, I may screw it up and need to make modifications. Let me know if there are options you think I should add to the poll. If the topic stays active I'll check in on it a couple of times a day.]

Edited by Kasiagora, 31 March 2013 - 09:18 PM.

[El Bandito]

Sounds like a good idea. PGI might include the Rifleman later on though.

[Riffleman]

El Bandito, on 31 March 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

Sounds like a good idea. PGI might include the Rifleman later on though.

PGI
the same PGI that had to give most of the funds we thought we were spending on founders program for money to go to THIS game, only to be taken by IGP to spend on other crap games nobody cares about.
PGI give money to harmony gold to get good mechs.

this is full of laugh.

[Kasiagora]

El Bandito, on 31 March 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

PGI might include the Rifleman later on though.

Riffleman, on 31 March 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

PGI give money to harmony gold to get good mechs.

This hero-Jagermech would be to side-step any sort of copyright problems. Harmony Gold doesn't own the rights to the Rifleman mech layout, but they own the artwork. People are generally pretty loyal to the original artwork, but this could be a nod towards the mech without having to step into that whole tar-pit, you know? That's my hope anyway.

[Gristle]

Riffleman, on 31 March 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

PGI
the same PGI that had to give most of the funds we thought we were spending on founders program for money to go to THIS game, only to be taken by IGP to spend on other crap games nobody cares about.
PGI give money to harmony gold to get good mechs.

this is full of laugh.

You obviously don't understand the concepts of being an investor and investments. IGP is the publisher and an investor in the MWO project, and there are likely other investors that we don't know about. Investors expect a return on their investment.

Edited by Gristle, 31 March 2013 - 10:41 PM.

[DegeneratePervert]

I'd like it. Would be fun to build a 2x PPC, 2x Gauss monstrosity (if possible)

[Tickdoff Tank]

65 Ton mech with 1 LL in each arm, 1 AC5 in each arm, 2 ML in "the torso" (hopefully 1 in each side torso, but sarna did not specify). Not too bad.

It would cost 4875 MC (75 MC per ton), but that is the price for any 65 ton Hero mech with the current pricing.

DegeneratePervert, on 31 March 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

I'd like it. Would be fun to build a 2x PPC, 2x Gauss monstrosity (if possible)

You can do that now, with a Catapult or a Jager. Kinda tight on tonnage, but the proposed Hero Mech would have the same limitation. Granted, the Hero we are talking about could mount it all in it's arms, which might be enough of a change to justify the drawbacks inherent in the design.

Edit: You could fit a Gauss and a PPC in the arms of the Jager since it lacks the extra actuators that would otherwise preclude it. Assuming you have the hardpoints of course.

Edited by Tickdoff Tank, 31 March 2013 - 10:48 PM.

[Riffleman]

Gristle, on 31 March 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

You obviously don't understand the concepts of being an investor and investments. IGP is the publisher and an investor in the MWO project, and there are likely other investors that we don't know about. Investors expect a return on their investment.

Oh dont I? And you think pulling all the money right from the very first funds in a panic cash grab to get the loot and run in case the game bombs is wise investment reaping? Mabye have a little blemish on your company, a reputation as a leach that once you sign with them they will grab your funds to pay themselves back at all costs, becoming a periah in the market and losing investor confidence through bad decision making?

Is there something I dont understand in there?

[MustrumRidcully]

Yes, I think that is something that the current variants are missing - an option to put large energy weapons on the arms.

[Inyc]

I like Ballistics and I like large lasers. I'm all for this.

[Adridos]

Don't forget the exact same loadout is going to be on the Blackjack down the line.

[Roland]

Quote

65 Ton mech with 1 LL in each arm, 1 AC5 in each arm, 2 ML in "the torso" (hopefully 1 in each side torso, but sarna did not specify). Not too bad.

Can't the S variant already do this?

[Inyc]

Roland, on 01 April 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

Can't the S variant already do this?

No. None of the Jagers have Energy hardpoints in the arms.

[Tickdoff Tank]

Riffleman, on 31 March 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Oh dont I? And you think pulling all the money right from the very first funds in a panic cash grab to get the loot and run in case the game bombs is wise investment reaping? Mabye have a little blemish on your company, a reputation as a leach that once you sign with them they will grab your funds to pay themselves back at all costs, becoming a periah in the market and losing investor confidence through bad decision making?

Is there something I dont understand in there?

There is so much that you don't understand that it seems pointless to try and explain it to you. Maybe someone else will, although I do not think it will do much good.

Roland, on 01 April 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

Can't the S variant already do this?

The "S" can mount the same weapons (2 LL, 2 AC5s, 2 ML) as can at least 2 Catapults. What would make the Hero Mech unique is the hardpoints in the arms.

[Fishbulb333]

Roland, on 01 April 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

Can't the S variant already do this?

Yeah, only difference is that all 4 energy hardpoints are in the side torsos, instead of 2 being in the arms..

[Kraven Kor]

LL + AC/5 in each arm?

Yes please.

[Cairbre]

Yes indeed! Perhaps call it the 'Minuteman' (JGR-MNT), or the 'Rafael' (JGR-RFL) . As long as it comes with an utterly absurd pun in the name, or some reference to the fact that PGI is thumbing its nose at the Unseen and doing it their own way anyways, that would be awesome.

[River Walker]

It would not matter to me if it was stock out like a Rifleman. I just want a Jeg and a Highlander hero Mech ,oh and a Atlas Hero to fill out my Mech Bays.

[SgtMagor]

I can see this as a Solaris custom fit, or Black market variant. but yes, having lasers mounted in the arms would be a nice upgrade for the JAG...

[Kasiagora]

Bought a Jager 6-S last night and played around with some builds on it. Made a Rifleman-esque build putting the large lasers in the torso and it worked out pretty well. I averaged just over 300 damage with it and with double heat sinks it doesn't run too hot, but then the Rifleman is traditionally a hot mech so DHS would be on anyone's wishlist if they were to make it. The damage numbers would be higher if the large lasers were in the arms to help with convergence between the two main weapon batteries, and increase in attack angle on maps like Alpine Peaks. On Tourmaline it acts great as a sniper without the heat problems and ammo depencancy that I have on the quad-AC/2 build I tried, and it's not cheesy so I don't feel like an a-hole for piloting it like I did with the dual-AC/20 build. Although that AC/20 build was doing over 500 points of damage each match, I get more satisfaction in the experience, challenge, and piloting something I want than just building something that will steamroll...
Well, here, I'll just upload it to Smurfy's Mechlab. Note the Endo-Steel and Double Heat Sinks that I gave it to increase armor to something with survivability, and better heat efficiency. Originally I'd left the armor stock, then I noticed that I was dying from stiff breezes, it was less armored than my Trebuchet, and 6-Ses only come with 12 points of armor in their arms?! WTF?!
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9883b192d1c645d