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[Shumabot]

Thontor, on 12 April 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

Interesting

Just a point of comparison, I have done 12,903 damage firing 32,640 missiles from LRM15s (2,176 volleys)

Doing the math I'm averaging around .3 damage per missile with an lrm 20 salvo at 10 tons 6 damage with 30 max possible.
I'm averaging 2.5 damage per med laser firing at 1 ton with 3 max.

The LRM is either hot or cold, LRMs are able to disintegrate anything almost instantly in the game, and they do, but only a quarter of the time. 75% of the time they're doing nothing because of ECM or map design or simple minimum range. The LRM almost defines a terribly implemented weapon. It's a weapon system that's useless in a mixed loadout, is either hot or cold with virtually no in between, and which is totally dependent on map and the composition of the enemy team. Something you don't know ahead of time.

ECM is a nail in the coffin, and it's a terribly designed nail that breaks an already fundamentally broken weapon even further.

Edited by Shumabot, 12 April 2013 - 11:02 AM.

[hammerreborn]

Shumabot, on 12 April 2013 - 11:01 AM, said:

Doing the math I'm averaging around .3 damage per missile with an lrm 20 salvo at 10 tons 6 damage with 30 max possible.
I'm averaging 2.5 damage per med laser firing at 1 ton with 3 max.

The LRM is either hot or cold, LRMs are able to disintegrate anything almost instantly in the game, and they do, but only a quarter of the time. 75% of the time they're doing nothing because of ECM or map design or simple minimum range. The LRM almost defines a terribly implemented weapon. It's a weapon system that's useless in a mixed loadout, is either hot or cold with virtually no in between, and which is totally dependent on map and the composition of the enemy team. Something you don't know ahead of time.

ECM is a nail in the coffin, and it's a terribly designed nail that breaks an already fundamentally broken weapon even further.

Inability to fire LRMs intelligently is not ECMs problem, it's yours.

[DocBach]

Hammer, what would you think of if ECM blocked the ability to hit R to target, but we were given the ability to target things manually with a new key by pointing our reticule at visually spotted ECM targets and locking on to them manually with the new key?

[hammerreborn]

DocBach, on 12 April 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

Hammer, what would you think of if ECM blocked the ability to hit R to target, but we were given the ability to target things manually with a new key by pointing our reticule at visually spotted ECM targets and locking on to them manually with the new key?

Then whats the point of R?

[Shumabot]

hammerreborn, on 12 April 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

Inability to fire LRMs intelligently is not ECMs problem, it's yours.

Magical bubbles of invincibility that can turn off my missiles mid flight aren't my problem, gold. People like you are why golds have a reputation of idiotic sycophancy.

What are your missile stats bro?

Edited by Shumabot, 12 April 2013 - 11:18 AM.

[DocBach]

hammerreborn, on 12 April 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

Then whats the point of R?

targeting things your sensors detect out of your pilot's direct field of view, or targeting your friendly sensors detect.

[Shumabot]

DocBach, on 12 April 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

targeting things your sensors detect out of your pilot's direct field of view, or targeting your friendly sensors detect.

The fact that he couldn't understand that should tell you something about how useful that conversation is going to be.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Shumabot, on 12 April 2013 - 10:18 AM, said:

No, PGIs implementation of ECM is incompetent.

I think the devs suffer from the idea that since they dont USE LRMs then ECM doesnt affect them so its balanced

[StalaggtIKE]

Shumabot, on 12 April 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

The fact that he couldn't understand that should tell you something about how useful that conversation is going to be.

LOL! Sorry.... carry on.

[hammerreborn]

Shumabot, on 12 April 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

Magical bubbles of invincibility that can turn off my missiles mid flight aren't my problem, gold. People like you are why golds have a reputation of idiotic sycophancy.

What are your missile stats bro?

You need to learn the definitions of magical, bubbles, invicibility, and turning off, because ECM is none of those things. And yet you call me an *****.

LRM 15 7 3,270 1,195 36.54% 00:32:47 3,341

Read em and weep. I fire when I have a shot rather than just throwing them into walls and going WHY MY MISSILES DO NO DAMAGE. I also carried very little ammo because you know, no point in putting 10 tons of ammo to throw at walls before QQing about lrms slamming into walls.

Why the hell didn't that word get filtered...


And before you go hurr durr u don't even use LRMS:

JENNER JR7-D 530 338 191 1.77 580 269 2.16 171,992 380,842 1 day 20:40:42

TAG 596

Edited by hammerreborn, 12 April 2013 - 11:26 AM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Shumabot, on 12 April 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

Magical bubbles of invincibility that can turn off my missiles mid flight aren't my problem, gold. People like you are why golds have a reputation of idiotic sycophancy.

What are your missile stats bro?

Theres a reason when he posts all I see is "This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by hammerreborn. View it anyway?"

[hammerreborn]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 12 April 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

Theres a reason when he posts all I see is "This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by hammerreborn. View it anyway?"

HEY LOOK GUYS I HAVE SOMEONE IGNORED HURR DURR IM ******* STUPID LET ME POST ABOUT IT LOL

Edited by hammerreborn, 12 April 2013 - 11:28 AM.

[Shumabot]

hammerreborn, on 12 April 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

You need to learn the definitions of magical, bubbles, invicibility, and turning off, because ECM is none of those things. And yet you call me an *****.

LRM 15 7 3,270 1,195 36.54% 00:32:47 3,341

Read em and weep. I fire when I have a shot rather than just throwing them into walls and going WHY MY MISSILES DO NO DAMAGE. I also carried very little ammo because you know, no point in putting 10 tons of ammo to throw at walls before QQing about lrms slamming into walls.

Why the hell didn't that word get filtered...


And before you go hurr durr u don't even use LRMS:

JENNER JR7-D 530 338 191 1.77 580 269 2.16 171,992 380,842 1 day 20:40:42

TAG 596

You've used LRM 15s in 7 matches?



Probably did it when LRMs were bugged too.

Also, array those numbers in a way that's meaningful and can be read without me having to have the stat window open in a second window. I only care about missiles fired and damage done, I don't want your life story.

Edited by Shumabot, 12 April 2013 - 11:30 AM.

[hammerreborn]

Shumabot, on 12 April 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

Probably did it when LRMs were bugged too.

No, used em recently in my dragon that I don't play very often because its a dragon and not a jenner. But my premade wanted to do all dragons for a couple rounds.

If I used them during the bug times I would have way more than 7 rounds.

Edited by hammerreborn, 12 April 2013 - 11:32 AM.

[Shumabot]

hammerreborn, on 12 April 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

No, used em recently in my dragon that I don't play very often because its a dragon and not a jenner. But my premade wanted to do all dragons.

I'm not sure I trust a guy whose primary experience is 7 rounds of LRM15s on dragons and LRM5s on Jenners. I'm sure someone, somewhere, is averaging like 300 damage per round with his hex MG jager too. I bet he's got a gold tag as well.

Edited by Shumabot, 12 April 2013 - 11:33 AM.

[hammerreborn]

Shumabot, on 12 April 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:

I'm not sure I trust a guy whose primary experience is 7 rounds of LRM15s on dragons and LRM5s on Jenners. I'm sure someone, somewhere, is averaging like 300 damage per round with his hex MG jager too. I bet he's got a gold tag as well.

Who uses LRM 5s on a Jenner?

[Shumabot]

hammerreborn, on 12 April 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:

Who uses LRM 5s on a Jenner?

I had assumed you copy pasted missile numbers and pasted your Jenner in front of it. This is why we don't just copy paste down the line of an li element and present it as useful information.

Thontor, on 12 April 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

funny, that's what I see when Shumabot posts

All I see when you post is proof that humanity deserves war, plague, hunger, and death.

[DocBach]

Thontor, on 12 April 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

R already targets what is under your reticle. Basically what your asking for is no target sharing if a mech your teammate has targeted is under ECM, but if you have LOS, you can target it.

No need for a seperate key.

R targets enemies closest to the reticule, but if your sensors detect something you don't have to be pointing at all in the vicinity of it.

[Malora Sidewinder]

Tennex, on 03 April 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

does it matter what we think?

Again like with the PPC effect paul missing the point completely.

Binding the ECM to a hardpoint will nerf the atlas, but what about the raven. who can honestly say they can pinpoint the raven's right torso to take out ECM. if you had the skills to do that, you'd be better off blow out its XL engine and kkil it. and if that were so easy there wouldn't be a 3L infestation in the firs place.

before saying nerf the 3L. lets use our thinking noggin and remember back to before the ECM was implemented and the 3L was unknown and the Jenner was OP.

meta has shifted yet again. jenners are now more dangerous than ravens.

[Shumabot]

Malora Sidewinder, on 12 April 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

meta has shifted yet again. jenners are now more dangerous than ravens.

And neither are a fraction as dangerous as they were a month ago. The biggest nerf to ECM possible was the dramatic damage nerf to LRMs and the introduction of two maps seemingly purpose built for poptarting. The overpowered mechanic is only overpowered if the teams are using missiles or ever actually getting close to eachother.

Edited by Shumabot, 12 April 2013 - 11:50 AM.