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[Redshift2k5]

Legs are for heatsinks? Let me know when you can fit a DHS in a leg and we'll talk. My Jagermechs always die to CT or side torso death (for the ones using an XL) and it's never the legs. While you're shooting my legs I'm shooting your CT, how is that going to work out for you?

I will go for legs when I'm flanking someone who has a stripped leg (and it doesn't hurt to test-fire their leg to check for thier leg armor levels!), but if I'm fighting head-on, legs are poor target and even if they have ammo in the leg, there is no guarantee of a kill. Your CT will kill you no matter what you have or have not put in there.

[Abivard]

Royalewithcheese, on 04 April 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

What else are you supposed to put in there?

Why heat sinks of course!
You know, to cool those weapons that are going off 20M or so above them. What! You say DHS takes 3 spaces and legs have only two? use single HS or leave the spots empty dernnabit!

[John Norad]

hashinshin, on 04 April 2013 - 06:06 AM, said:

and the second ammo has to be stored in places it can actually blow up suddenly ACs are dropped from every build.

Opens up new balancing options, me thinks.
Or maybe I'm just overly optimistic about game balancing?

Risk: can make you go boom
Reward: more dakka (dps, alpha, damage per heat, whatever)

Nothing bad in my book.

[ShadowbaneX]

People not only like to store ammo in the legs...they also like to strip armour off of there...well, usually for more ammo.

[Squid von Torgar]

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Your horizontal traverse speed does already vary with slope steepness.....

Really? Try this in game. Run up a slope in game and keep an eye on your speed readout. What happens?

Now picture a 80 robot trying to do the same in real life. My guess is that it will be further hindered. This is reflected in the TT rules too (running up or down slopes slows mechs down as does running through forests, rough ground and water and it can even fall over it it gets it wrong).

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Its in CANON therefore it is fair game

What does Canon have to do with it? Whats cannon about double armour, 1.4 DHS, weapons that fire 3 times faster? MWO has repeatedly thrown out canon as a reason to do stuff. Also take a look at that 9M. It has thighs that any Russian Shotputter would envy. You could drive a bus up them, let alone crank some measly SSRM2's up them.

Edited by Squid von Torgar, 04 April 2013 - 06:45 AM.

[Kylere]

game

/gām/
Noun
A form of play or sport, esp. a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck.
Adjective

• Eager and willing to do something new or challenging: "they were game for anything".
  
• (of a person's leg) Permanently injured; lame.

Play games of chance for money: "the gaming tables of Monte Carlo".
Synonyms
noun. play - match - sport adjective. brave - plucky - courageous - gallant - ready - manful

[EyeOne]

Dead Eye 01, on 04 April 2013 - 06:28 AM, said:

I would say ice cream, but that would melt even with coolant. Maybe muffin storage?

This. MWO needs more muffins.

[Squid von Torgar]

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game

Dont get your argument, if that were the case and this is just a "game" then why strive for graphical realism? Why bother having rules about customisation, weapons ranges, heat, damage?

Oh right, because this "Game" is meant to be one about the MW universe.

Once upon a time Russ thought this also:-

http://youtu.be/v28Xi37HTXo?t=32s

Edited by Squid von Torgar, 04 April 2013 - 06:59 AM.

[Gunmage]

Squid von Torgar, on 04 April 2013 - 06:45 AM, said:

Run up a slope in game and keep an eye on your speed readout. What happens?

Sometimes i run into walls, and that readout doesn't change. This argument is invalid.

[OneEyed Jack]

Steadfast, on 04 April 2013 - 06:20 AM, said:

Or how the jetpacks you put into your legs, which use the surplus plasma from your reactor

Actually they carry tanks of reaction mass.

Viper69, on 04 April 2013 - 06:24 AM, said:

I do it and I feel not one bit guilty about it either because I could do it in tabletop as long as it was no more than two location away from its gun I think .

I think that was probably a house rule.

[Blackfoot]

Are people really debating ammo feed realism in a FICTIONAL game that takes place 1000 years from now with weapons technology nowhere near as good as a 20th century tank?

In TT there are several variants with ammo in the legs. Its not straying from canon or anything. besides, the most you can put is 4 tons. those double AC/10 builds run out of ammo before half the match is over. And if it really annoys you OP, just shoot the legs (which most people under-armor anyways) and laugh mercilessly as they gimp around with no ammo.

Edited by Blackfoot, 04 April 2013 - 07:04 AM.

[Eric darkstar Marr]

OneEyed Jack, on 04 April 2013 - 07:02 AM, said:

Actually they carry tanks of reaction mass.


I think that was probably a house rule.

You can put ammo where ever I already provided evidence. Take time to read a thread and you will see.

[RG Notch]

I don't get it, if you don't want to store ammo in the legs no one is forcing you to... oh wait you want to force other people to not put ammo there. Thankfully not going to happen so no biggie. Nothing forces you to put ammo in a smart location so feel free to be realistic and get blown up.

[OneEyed Jack]

Squid von Torgar, on 04 April 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

Dont get your argument, if that were the case and this is just a "game" then why strive for graphical realism? Why bother having rules about customisation, weapons ranges, heat, damage?

Oh right, because this "Game" is meant to be one about the MW universe.

Once upon a time Russ thought this also:-

http://youtu.be/v28Xi37HTXo?t=32s

Battletech universe. Mechwarrior takes place in the BattleTech universe.

And you can't argue both sides of the canon argument to support the same idea without labeling yourself an *****.

[Eric darkstar Marr]

Last time I pout this up and I hope it makes the nay sayers **** or the level of asstardedness will reach to high


FROM THE ******* TRO 3050:

[N0ni]

EyeOne, on 04 April 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

This. MWO needs more muffins.

(Going off topic a bit.)
This gives me an idea for decals.

(Back on topic)
I had something for this...

OneEyed Jack, on 04 April 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

Battletech universe.

Where anything is possible! Including ammo in the legs.

[OneEyed Jack]

Eric darkstar Marr, on 04 April 2013 - 07:04 AM, said:

You can put ammo where ever I already provided evidence. Take time to read a thread and you will see.

Sorry, that was unclear. I was suggesting that the "within two locations" limit was probably a house rule. If it's ever been an official rule, then I've somehow missed it for over 20 years.

[Joseph Mallan]

Let me see, Looking. Looking. Searching... Nope Can't find a crap to give for this! Science Fiction doesn't need to follow cold hard facts.

[Death Mallet]

Forget ammo in the legs. . .

Try fitting 1,000 - 2,000 rounds of guided missiles ANYWHERE in an upright walker. . . along with a magical feed system that reloads multiple 15 or 20 pack launchers in seconds.

Really guys. . . ammo in the legs is the least of the realism problems the game has. Just accept it as a game and move on.

Edited by Death Mallet, 04 April 2013 - 07:11 AM.

[N0ni]

Death Mallet, on 04 April 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

Just accept it as a game and move on.

It's hard for some people, clearly. I'm willing to bet this won't be the last we hear of it!