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[Bagheera]

cdlord, on 04 April 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

I think pop-tarting is a viable tactic, as is boating and base capping and any other tactic. Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black or the kettle saying it's black only because the pot is?

Play. Adapt. Conquer.

This.

Though the OP isn't raging against people pop-tarting, he's calling out people who cry in game when the enemy team renders their tactic moot.

Not the best post ever, but I agree with it. Don't cry when you get out played, adapt, improvise, overcome.

[Shock Hazard]

LordDeathStrike, on 04 April 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

the fun thing about pop tards is getting behind them via all that cover they never see over cause htey hide in one place, then shooting them in the back for enough dmg that they fall over dead hehe.

as for the heavy metal being mediocre, not really, it can fit a goodly amount of artemis lrms, 3 energy weapons and 2 guns

so far my favorite setup is dual lrm 15s artemis, gauss, 3 med lasers for when they wanna brawl. i run a 300 engine and dhs, doesnt have shutdown issues on any map. dropped the JJ for ammo, since pop tarding is stupid.

my dual er ppc 6 mgun jaeger also excells at flanking and spanking pop tards with its 83 kph speed and low profile.

Calls the HM good, uses LRM's.


ROFLMAO

[slayerkdm]

MrPenguin, on 04 April 2013 - 07:01 AM, said:

I have yet to meet someone who can do this accurately with out completely minimizing there movement in flight. Making them incredibly easy targets. And even then, the hits I take are never really consistent.

So I really wouldn't use the term "sniping" when talking about them in general.

Odd, I find the opposite of this to be true. Whatever group of players my ELO puts me at, are very effective at pop tarting. Its easier to hit the stationary guy than the guy pop tarting.

[IIIuminaughty]

I ate a pack of pop tarts earlier today...they were delicious!

Edited by StrataDragoon, 04 April 2013 - 08:26 AM.

[Corvus Antaka]

Jumpsniping has only been around since mech4 in the wack-a-mole/pop-tart sense.

in mech3 LRMS would obliterate you if you stood still behind something and jumped up and down.

This is what we call a logical counter.

PGI didnt want mech4 radar, or mech4 hardpoints or explosions. but they aparently did want mech4 pop-tarting. this is pretty obvious because the ECM + jumpjet combo is IDEAL for pop-tarting.

PGI didnt want mech3 style LRMS to counter pop-tarting and force people to actually move around the battlefield, or be aware of more than their left ******.

PGI wants LRMS completely removed from 8 mans, as is evident by the past 3 months with no LRMS.

I agree that base-capping is thank god a viable tactic to circumvent this pop-tarting idiocy, UNTIL the enemy decides to simply pop-tart from their base.

[Fut]

Blackfoot, on 04 April 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

well as long as I have been playing MW it has always been called jumpsniping. Poptarting just sounds silly. And I do it pretty well actually when I use my treb. trick is to fire at the apex of your jump.

Pretty sure that's the point. A silly name for a silly tactic.

[IIIuminaughty]

Poptarting is a simple strategy, and every strategy can be out strategize... but if you rather just sit and complain about something that's not going to go away, by all means go ahead.

[LordBraxton]

I like how this is a QQ thread bashing QQers.

You obviously keep getting owned by pop tarts or something because I sense a lot of aggression in your OP.

Popping is fine capping is fine boating is fine.

For every pop tart there is a 3l with lag shield, a 6ppc stalker, and ac40 jager.

A game about customization is by nature a game of min\maxing

Fut, on 04 April 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Pretty sure that's the point. A silly name for a silly tactic.

Its only silly if you keep popping up in the same area, and fly as high as you can, like all the nub tarts do.

[Duncan Aravain]

What exactly is a "quite note"? Did you mean" quick note"? Perhaps, a "quiet note"? Other than that question I have about your post, I agree with your statement...I think.

[Scromboid]

LordBraxton, on 04 April 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

I like how this is a QQ thread bashing QQers.

You obviously keep getting owned by pop tarts or something because I sense a lot of aggression in your OP.

Popping is fine capping is fine boating is fine.

For every pop tart there is a 3l with lag shield, a 6ppc stalker, and ac40 jager.

A game about customization is by nature a game of min\maxing



Its only silly if you keep popping up in the same area, and fly as high as you can, like all the nub tarts do.

The irony here is just ~too much~

[C0VVB3LL]

Had a fun match last night in tourmaline where our whole team hid behind a rigde at our cap and waited for the enemy to piecemeal into our fields of fire. Had our rear and flanks covered by the border and the small ridge we were hiding behind splitting our front into two relativley equal 40 degree interlocking fields. The tears sustain me even now!

[MrPenguin]

slayerkdm, on 04 April 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:

Odd, I find the opposite of this to be true. Whatever group of players my ELO puts me at, are very effective at pop tarting. Its easier to hit the stationary guy than the guy pop tarting.

Please re-read what I said. I never said they miss.
I said there hits are inconsistent. As in, they're not hitting the same spot often and the damage is more spread out.

And I never said they all do either. Just a good chunk. I've definitely met more then a handful of pop-tarting 3D's that have incredibly killer aim. highlanders I have yet to met one. But that mech just came out, and due to low FPS I haven't been able to get that many games in as late either.

Edited by MrPenguin, 04 April 2013 - 09:56 AM.

[xRatas]

I recall trying to jumpsnipe in MW1 (with it's controls it was rather hard to do) and more successfully do that in MW2 and later titles. Although lot of the potential of jumpjets are wasted in jumpsniping, it is quite valid tactic anyway.

My MWO jumpsniper still moves about 77kph, so it is quite capable of doing other things too, but popping up and down at long range sure helps softening enemy up before going in for the kill.

I also remember some really good jumpsnipers in MW4, those who moved with rather fast speed sideways while jumping and sniping. Bit less of that good seen so far in MWO, not sure why.

[Malora Sidewinder]

I look down on capping until no other option is viable for that particular game.
you should only resort to capping when the other team has thoroughly beaten you on player skill, but their tactics left a base wide open for cap.

[Victor Morson]

Scromboid, on 04 April 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

Just a quite note to the other players out there...

If you are going to hang out on a ridge and pop-tart with your team of "Soft Rocks" and 3Ds, if we decide to run and cap your base, don't whine. If we hang out behind a rock until you get bored, don't whine. If our ECMs just run around and pester you, don't whine.

Your tactic is just as annoying as you think ours is.

There's not a single invalid of cheese tactic listed in your OP. You should be trying to do all of this all the time.

I'm sorry if you think every one of these things is "annoying." Maybe you can still check out the a quick respawn FPS so you can constantly be shooting each other in the face up close, it sounds more your speed.

Edited by Victor Morson, 04 April 2013 - 10:58 AM.

[Trauglodyte]

I like pop-tarts. They're actually dumb enough to think that they can't take damage while doing what they do. Its even funnier when I see Heavy Metals do it cause they're so freaking big.

[LordBraxton]

Scromboid, on 04 April 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

The irony here is just ~too much~

Irony is for hipsters, so enlighten me I'm a little slow?

[Victor Morson]

My tactical motto:

Shoot 'em in the back, shoot 'em in the leg, if you can shoot them in the head. Shoot 'em from the air, shoot 'em in their base. Shoot them with the best guns you can field, with as many of them as you can. If they go too heavy steal their base, if they go too light re-read this. If all else fails, shoot 'em in the front.

That came out way more Dr. Seuss Guide to 'Mechs than I meant to.

[marabou]

Scromboid, on 04 April 2013 - 06:44 AM, said:

Your tactic is just as annoying as you think ours is.

If you have only 33 hp in your fatlas eye dont whine.

[Scromboid]

I think one of the other responders clarified, but I'll put it here, too.

I am not raging against the tactic or any other tactic... quite the opposite really. All tactics are viable. Just don't get mad when your's loses, is all I'm saying.

That said, I shoot shoot sporting clays IRL, so I love the pop tarts

Edited by Scromboid, 04 April 2013 - 12:09 PM.