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[RJGatling]

From a conversation that went orthogonal from the original post found at the following link : http://mwomercs.com/...g-and-love-ecm/

A series of ideas for the streak srm that would be vastly closer to its TT purpose in my eyes would be the following:

• Disable the existing lock on requirement. It is too similar to LRM missiles and not SRMs.
  
• Standard reticle remains the appropriate grey/red color until it enters a calculated window for hitting the target, at which point it should turn green or another differentiated color to alert the pilot. If LRMs are used, colors could alternate red/green. Audible or other visual indicators could supplement/replace the color change.
  
• Missile would not fire until window of opportunity is properly achieved save for two exceptions.

a) ECM disrupts assisted aiming at which point the reticle turns green/etc. allowing free fire

b) And this is optional - user defeatable assist bound to a key. Can be turned on or off as seen fit by pilot, similar to weapon door toggle.

• Streak SRM missile velocity should be increased above standard SRM for at least twofold reasons.

a) It prevents supplementing/exploiting the firing of Streak SRMs with standard SRMs.

b) Minimizes deviance from target to maximize opportunities from other weapons as SRMs are the slowest in terms of weapon velocity for unguided munitions.

Overall, this is similar to modern aircraft aiming HUDs, but with a few differences. There would not be a displayed impact line/velocity vector to both clean up clutter and to minimize pilots attempting to calibrate regular srm firing difference based upon the assisted streak srm reticle placement. The computer would also disallow free firing of missiles unless defeated manually.

I think the above changes would help guarantee at least one hit, with more depending on how far you go into the calculated hit window, the precision of the missile cluster, and maybe a little bit of luck for a fun game.

Since this has wandered off topic, let me know if I should make a separate post containing the above info.

Regards,


Hammacher Schlemmer/RJGatling (Depending on game and until I can change names)

PS - Evening here, so I've started drinking. Feel free to point out grammatical/technical errors in this post. I am highly appreciative of this.

Edited by Hammacher Schlemmer, 02 April 2013 - 04:19 PM.

[stjobe]

For reference, here's the skinny lore-wise on SRMs and Streaks:

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Short Range Missiles are direct-fire missiles that sacrifice range for hitting power. Adapted towards the profusion of electronic jamming on the battlefield and the effectiveness of current armor designs, these missiles are less sophisticated than Long Range Missiles and particularly effective against infantry and combat vehicles.

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Originally developed in 2647, the Streak SRM Launcher is relatively similar to the standard SRM launcher but linked to a unique Targa-7 fire control system. This system is designed to guarantee a hit against any target onto which the pilot can get a lock, a special feature of this system preventing the weapon from firing at a target when there is no lock-on, saving ammunition by preventing shots that would miss anyway.

Unlike a standard SRM whose shotgun effect may result in some misses and some hits, Streak guidance gives the lighter launchers the effective average firepower of the heavier and more wasteful SRM systems, but with considerably less variation in damage effects.

One interesting thing to note is that the Guardian ECM (BT version, not MWO version) blocks the Targa-7 FCS, but the SSRMs can then be fired like SRMs instead.

So here's the problem: SSRMs simply don't fire if they will miss. Other than that, they're regular SRMs. So how to simulate that without making them behave like you had an aim-bot?

Edited by stjobe, 03 April 2013 - 12:18 AM.

[RJGatling]

stjobe, on 03 April 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

For reference, here's the skinny lore-wise on SRMs and Streaks:



One interesting thing to note is that the Guardian ECM (BT version, not MWO version) blocks the Targa-7 FCS, but the SSRMs can then be fired like SRMs instead.

So here's the problem: SSRMs simply don't fire if they will miss. Other than that, they're regular SRMs. So how to simulate that without making them behave like you had an aim-bot?

StJobe,

I think a few of my points were poorly explained the above suggestion.

In regards to

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One interesting thing to note is that the Guardian ECM (BT version, not MWO version) blocks the Targa-7 FCS, but the SSRMs can then be fired like SRMs instead.

I originally said the following:

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• Missile would not fire until window of opportunity is properly achieved save for two exceptions.

a) ECM disrupts assisted aiming at which point the reticle turns green/etc. allowing free fire

So,when blocked by guardian ecm, the targa-7 would in effect be disabled and the green reticle would reflect the Streak SRMs being turned into standard SRMs.

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So here's the problem: SSRMs simply don't fire if they will miss. Other than that, they're regular SRMs. So how to simulate that without making them behave like you had an aim-bot?

I don't see a way to get around this if it isn't to let you fire until you have a hit. That's essentially an aimbot, aside from you having to move the reticle into the correct part of the screen. With that in mind, I don't see what the problem of that would be, the varying speed of the weapon vs other weapons will make it obvious to any informed pilot that there isn't an aimbot involved.

The fact that the overall weapon is heavier, but the damage per missile is the same, along with the shots per ton staying similar suggests that the ordinance isn't homing, but rather the heavier equipment.

Hopefully I was able to clear up any above confusion that was instilled from my above post. If there wasn't any confusion in the beginning, I apologize for assuming there was.

Regards,

Hammacher Schlemmer/RJGatling