12 replies to this topic

[Ornonge]

NARC really is not viable at the moment,

it is too heavy, got explosive ammunition, shorter range than a TAG and completely no use with any kind of ECM around.

So if it did counter ECM, most of these downsides would still be there, but at least it had a use and give some more tactical options. Teams could choose, if they'd rather want reliable information about enemy movement and position, or use LRM to force them into hiding (unlikely with LRM at thier current state). With Scouts beeing nerfed (Weapon Fire State Rewind) on thier combat compatibility, this might be an option to give them another use on the battlefield. There really aren't enough tools around for thier job (gaining information about the enemy and sharing it with thier team), except for teamspeak and the like.

[Klaa]

Sure once its hit the target, at least in terms of a 1to1 ratio. One NARC needed for every ECM.

Edited by Klaa, 04 April 2013 - 11:56 PM.

[Ornonge]

No one said its going to be easier, just different

EDIT: I thought of it more like the PPC counter, just disabling it on the Mech that was hit.

Edited by Ornonge, 05 April 2013 - 12:14 AM.

[Zyllos]

NARC should not counter GECM.

But NARC should be powerful enough that not having a GECM mech is dangerous if the enemy is wielding a NARC or scouting TAG mech. I would suggest making NARC last for 2 minutes, give all the bonuses it does now, and it is not removed by damage.

Make NARC/TAG their own equipment slot. This will make mechs that have these items important.

The RVN-3L should have hardpoints of 2 Energy, 1 Missile, 1 TAG, 1 NARC. Why take a RVN-4X if you could take a RVN-3L with the same armament but with the over-buffed GECM?

I would suggest making GECM an item that has some type of drawback when in use. I would make it use a lot of heat when the item is on Disrupt/Counter and make another mode Off. It should be hiding the mech using GECM in Disrupt mode but only causing an increase in lock times for mechs within 180m of it.

Completely blocking missile locks is the point of AECM.

[Target Rich]

BAP should counter ECM...but incrementially....ie it should hugely reduce the effectiveness of ECM.... right now ECM is a moving blanket...and BAP as currently modeled is merely a holding tab for future development... ie BAP is effectively worthless cause it is not modeled at all.

Combine the useless BAP with the currently disfunctional radar/sensor suite in general...and you have a game totally dependent upon Line of Sight for any decent game play...

That this is not battletech nor sufficient for a release is a given...

That sensor suite right now cannot even reliabally detect non ecm enemy mechs period.... One of the basic functions of any sensor suite is detecting enemy mechs circling around and hitting you from behind...

The currently modeled sensor suite is so random...that I personally experience undetected end arounds virtually 1out of 2 matches...and since I play missiles with Artemis and LRM's that is particularly a devistating bug...

[Dirus Nigh]

No, NARC, and BAP should not be a counter to ECM. That would make them do things that they are not supposed to do. Just as ECM is doing things that it is not supposed to do.

[Inkarnus]

well in BT TT you can use narc on a ECM mech but its loses it bonuses but
well i doubt it works in anyway like that in MWO

[Deathlike]

If NARC was the counter to ECM (forget TT rules for a moment), you could dramatically see a change from being one of the most useless weapons, to become the most sought after counter.

This is not hyperbole... this would be a serious change.

This would also indirectly "buff" LRM and Streak usage...

Edited by Deathlike, 07 April 2013 - 03:59 PM.

[Funkadelic Mayhem]

Dirus Nigh, on 07 April 2013 - 12:05 PM, said:

No, NARC, and BAP should not be a counter to ECM. That would make them do things that they are not supposed to do. Just as ECM is doing things that it is not supposed to do.

exactly!
ecm is not getting changed to how "it sould be" ever!

[Oppresor]

The NARC beacon should be able to counter ECM once it has hit a ECM carrying unit. The emissions from the beacon should at the very least enable LRM lock to be re-established at 500m, half normal lock distance.

[Dirus Nigh]

Oppresor, on 08 April 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

The NARC beacon should be able to counter ECM once it has hit a ECM carrying unit. The emissions from the beacon should at the very least enable LRM lock to be re-established at 500m, half normal lock distance.

ECM should not block LRM lock at all.

[Causticus]

Yes, NARC should *decrease* ECM effectiveness... but not necessarily counter it in full. It's in the name: Electronic Counter Measures.

[Timuroslav]

NARC is specifically designed to hone missiles onto an area. When missiles are blind fired, they will be summoned by the NARC to fly to the beacon and thereby destroying it. The life span of the NARC is completely ridiculous for its weight. The average Missile's flight time is roughly 7 seconds, so NARC should live at least triple that.

NARC is not a computer but more like simple-spamming-Radio Rocket that lodges itself into the iron of another mech. It is NOT a computer It should NOT be countered by ECM.

BUT, it should work THROUGH ECM. This combined with the longer life span, would make it a viable weapon. Even if Allies do not launch missiles, the enemy will show up on the Radar.

So, basically, No it should not counter ECM but instead WORK INSPITE of it.
plus it just needs a longer life, 7 seconds really?! by the Time allies see it and launch missiles the signal will be lost.
Just because you hit with NARC doesn't mean missiles will hit...

Edited by Timuroslav, 09 April 2013 - 04:52 PM.