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[Team Leader]

Seriously. Why don't we have this. Let us vote from inside the launcher thing. Add another screen to the ads part, and give the players 1 vote per account/IP address. Let us view the results afterwards. We can decide what we want through that. After all, if the forums are only "a fraction of the player base", then bring (important part of) the forums TO the player base!



If a mod could all an "agree/disagree/abstain" poll to this that would be great (I'm on my Ipad so I can't)

[Roadbeer]

This is serious business and needs a poll.

[Davers]

I am not sure I would trust any polls for REAL feedback. Plus the Devs don't need them. They have the actual in game data. That is far more representative of what people think about the various aspect of the game than any poll.

[Roadbeer]

Davers, on 07 April 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

I am not sure I would trust any polls for REAL feedback. Plus the Devs don't need them. They have the actual in game data. That is far more representative of what people think about the various aspect of the game than any poll.

True dat.

Like the guy who always says on the forums that he HATES ECM and the 3L, but is ALWAYS in the 3L.
People are dicks, I could wake up in a bad mood and vote a certain way just to be an *******.

[Davers]

Roadbeer, on 07 April 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

True dat.

Like the guy who always says on the forums that he HATES ECM and the 3L, but is ALWAYS in the 3L.
People are dicks, I could wake up in a bad mood and vote a certain way just to be an *******.

Exactly. Imagine if the Devs had a poll about LRM damage/effectiveness. Everyone who likes LRMs will say to buff them. Everyone who doesn't like them will say to nerf them. People who never even use them will vote one way or the other despite the fact they have no actual experience using them. And none of these people will actually care if LRM damage/effectiveness is balanced or not. They are just voting for their own play style to be superior to someone else's.

[Tennex]

i've never seen any games do this. but i don't see why not

[Peiper]

I've been pushing the same idea for awhile.

One of the things I wonder is: how would the poll be skewed by uninformed players? (For example, if they asked a question like: Should medium mechs be faster? Those who don't remember the super-fast 4 medium laser hunchbacks that used to rule the day because they weren't there back in closed beta.) On the other hand, the poll results could INFORM PGI and the rest of us, who would gobble up the poll results, about what percentage of players are informed at all!

I wonder about the great silent majority, to whom PGI says they are supporting. I know a few dozen are in my merc corps. I have to twist their arm to look at the forums for anything, but they are certainly dedicated players. I know too, that if you polled them, they would support the very vocal minority. But are my guys similar to ALL our players? How many are in units, or hop on teamspeak/voice vs. those who don't? How many play more than a week or so because they are just not that interested?

I spend more time on here now protesting and making suggestions on how to FIX current problems than come up with new things because I know they have to have a solid foundation to build upon. Perhaps they consider me a whiner and a squeaky wheel these days? Well, I'm only squeaking because the wheels are falling off!

[Kiiyor]

Tennex, on 07 April 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

i've never seen any games do this. but i don't see why not

Star conflict does this, and I dig it. They give you a pittance in their MC equiv for doing it too.

[Critical Fumble]

Davers, on 07 April 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

I am not sure I would trust any polls for REAL feedback. Plus the Devs don't need them. They have the actual in game data. That is far more representative of what people think about the various aspect of the game than any poll.

Their data shows what the player does not what they think. The subjective is as or more important than the objective in the entertainment industry because they are more or less selling fun. For instance, rock-paper-scissors is objectively fair, but you won't see any companies making RPS:Online anytime soon because its not subjectively fun for many people.

Obviously, they would have to be careful about poll bias and what is and is not able to be determined through polls. However, if they merged their current metrics with poll data they could filter out blatant lies and dubious perceptions. For example:

Player A
Poll response - "LRMs are horribly weak, I never use them".
Data - Always runs LRM boats, good W/L and KDR.
Analysis - Blatant lie.

Player B
Poll response - "LRMs are badly overpowered".
Data - Frequently takes large amounts of damage in the open from LRM fire.
Analysis - Dubious perception.

Granted, specifics of weapon damage is one of those things that likely should not be polled, but rather fitted within an economy model of the game - which they unfortunately do not appear to have.

[Tincan Nightmare]

I actually had a thread for this in suggestions for the same idea awhile ago, so I'm for it . As Critical Fumble states, even if PGI doesn't act on the poll information, it would still give them a general idea of where the mindset of the players is. And if you have an issue, like the implementation of equipment, where you get an overwhelming response (say 90 percent say BAP is useless, or 90 percent say ECM is bad, or 90 percent want a buff to MG's) it would be hard to just brush it off as 'I'm being a **** today' voting.

[Steadfast]

No polls are useless as they never represent the majority of their player base.
Some such craptastic stuff was posted a while back. So, now. Basically what I think is, if you put something up for polls availlable for all at game start-up and plain to see, you would mayhaps just startle the sleeping giant.
Better not wake him...
So, We likely will not see a poll during start up.
For the idea, I myself like it very much.

Edited by Steadfast, 07 April 2013 - 08:56 PM.

[Davers]

Steadfast, on 07 April 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

No polls are useless as they never represent the majority of their player base.
Some such craptastic stuff was posted a while back. So, now. Basically what I think is, if you put something up for polls availlable for all at game start-up and plain to see, you would mayhaps just startle the sleeping giant.
Better not wake him...
So, We likely will not see a poll during start up.
For the idea, I myself like it very much.

As a German, there is a possibility you like David Hasselhoff and think he is a real singer. Therefore you are not allowed to vote in any poll.

[Roadbeer]

Davers, on 07 April 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

As a German, there is a possibility you like David Hasselhoff and think he is a real singer. Therefore you are not allowed to vote in any poll.

Oh no he di'n

[Steadfast]

Davers, on 07 April 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

As a German, there is a possibility you like David Hasselhoff and think he is a real singer. Therefore you are not allowed to vote in any poll.

Of course he is! Specially if he is craving hamburger and singing while eating and slobbering all over the place!
B2T, it would be a great implement imo.

[Team Leader]

Roadbeer, on 07 April 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

This is serious business and needs a poll.

It really does this time. Thanks Roadbeer.