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[Koniving]

DavidHurricane, on 15 November 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Bit too short ranged for my taste. I actually want the Ferro for more protection (it is stronger right?).

It isn't. Ferro is more points for the same weight. (It says 12% more points per ton. I count 10 points of armor in a ton for standard armor). But since your maximum cannot change, it isn't actually better. Lore considers ferro to be a lower-level of armor due to its space-consuming nature. (It's also read to resist lasers more but MWO doesn't apply that).

Side note: Short range or not, those small pulse lasers will out perform medium lasers, here's why I use them comparing my weapons to yours.

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I can fire once every 2.75 seconds (includes full beam time)
You can fire once every 4 seconds (includes full beam time)
I shoot faster.

I have to hold my target for 1/2 a second to do full damage.
You have to hold it for a full second to do full damage.
We're both effective against slow targets but I'm more effective against fast ones too.

I deal 3.40*8 = 27.2 damage every 2.75 seconds. In 9 seconds I've done 108.8 damage and generated 57.6 heat having fired 4 times (0, 2.75, 5.5, 8.25 = shot 4 times).
You deal 5*6 = 30 damage every 4 seconds and in 9 seconds you've dealt 90 damage and generated 72 heat having fired 3 times (0, 4, 8 = shot 3 times).
You're dealing better damage in a single shot, but I'm doing far more damage over time, faster, and run cooler.

I take greater risk, but being able to fire faster, stay cooler, and deal damage scary-fast really pays off.

(For some reason wrote 3.40 * 8... but did the math for 3.40 * 6. lol. Fixed.)

Edited by Koniving, 16 November 2013 - 06:58 AM.

[Deathz Jester]

DavidHurricane, on 15 November 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Like in MW4M you good be a spectator flying thing. I think that you should be allowed to have 4 spectators per match (they don't take up player slots and get no rewards).

I actually meant more on the lines of Theater mode à la Halo.

I'm not uberfanboyish about Halo, I like the series, but I saw it as CoD in the future, BUT I DIGRESS lol I'll give the franchise one thing for sure it has a fantastic Theater mode. Creating videos, clips, screenshots, and being able to save them on my computer from the cloud that they get uploaded too is awesome.

Imagine being able to browse through the 'MWO Cloud' and pick a match to put together some montages, clips, and screenshots from any angle you want, or any speed you want. Then download it and have fun with your editing software if you do that sorta thing.

Edited by Iron Harlequin, 16 November 2013 - 12:58 AM.

[Koniving]

Iron Harlequin, on 16 November 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

I actually meant more on the lines of Theater mode à la Halo.

Have you watched the launch event's tournaments? They have this. Apparently it's only available on private versions of the game. It appears that they have it for recording the hero vids, too.

[Lordred]

I do what I can with the powers I have been given.

[Alaskan Nobody]

Lordred, on 16 November 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

I do what I can with the powers I have been given.

And you do better than I could even dream of doing (at the moment anyways )

[Deathz Jester]

Koniving, on 16 November 2013 - 07:01 AM, said:

Have you watched the launch event's tournaments? They have this. Apparently it's only available on private versions of the game. It appears that they have it for recording the hero vids, too.

Which raises the question of "why cant we have it?", I'm sure that would put a dent in people complaining about the game if half of them were busy making screenshot archives and montages.

[Koniving]

Iron Harlequin, on 16 November 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

Which raises the question of "why cant we have it?", I'm sure that would put a dent in people complaining about the game if half of them were busy making screenshot archives and montages.

Unfair advantage during fights. What if at any time I could press a button, leave my cockpit and fly around to see where the enemy is? Because that's what they were doing during that broadcast, literally leaving their cockpits and flying.

[Scop]

Koniving, on 16 November 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

Unfair advantage during fights. What if at any time I could press a button, leave my cockpit and fly around to see where the enemy is? Because that's what they were doing during that broadcast, literally leaving their cockpits and flying.

More accurately, leaving the cockpit that they were speculating. But I see the exploit potential of having an extra player with you on Teamspeak while they spectate your current match and relay information. Prevention there might be to limit player use to concluded and recorded matches.

[Deathz Jester]

Koniving, on 16 November 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

Unfair advantage during fights. What if at any time I could press a button, leave my cockpit and fly around to see where the enemy is? Because that's what they were doing during that broadcast, literally leaving their cockpits and flying.

I dont think we were on the same page lol, I was referring to a cinema mode, where you can view the match you just played after you played it. Like in Halo, and I believe even Call of Duty does it now, they keep your like 5-10 most recent matches saved on a cloud that you can go and watch it. I agree about not having it in a live match, but thats not at all what I was suggesting.

[Mighty Spike]

omegaorgun, on 15 November 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

Epic!!!!

[990Dreams]

Perhaps they could record a match's data and re-run the data through a game simulator, where we can fly around and take whatever shots we want.

[Koniving]

DavidHurricane, on 17 November 2013 - 05:42 AM, said:

Perhaps they could record a match's data and re-run the data through a game simulator, where we can fly around and take whatever shots we want.

That's on the Dev wishlist. But it's so bottom of the barrel that we'd be more likely to see lore-proper ACs (which the devs have blatantly said no to several times) before we see that.

Edit: Proper lore ACs fire in 3 ways.

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• The ultra rare single shot autocannon, where there is no mech that has a single shot AC/20 [Inner Sphere mechs are too humanoid; the most likely one to be able to mount one would be a King Crab but according to lore the King Crab mounts twin 12-shot 120mm AC/20s. Single shot is 203mm], and only one known mech with a single shot UAC/20 [Cauldron Born / Ebon Jaguar].
  
• Then there's the very common bursts (Pontiac 100 [an AC/20] is the most extreme example. Described as a 14 ton vulcan cannon with 'numerous' spinning barrels, this 100 shot AC/20 feeds its payload from a magazine and dumps it in 'under a second' in a 'black cloud of shrapnel'. Another, the Crusher Super Heavy Cannon, pumps out 10 150mm-style rounds of 2 damage each. In all burst-fire cases, they are loaded by a magazine called a "cassette," which is burned through in a single trigger pull. If a single shot AC/10 gets 15 shots per ton, then the burst fire would get 15 trigger pulls (cassettes) per ton.
  
• The fully automatic MG-styles are supposedly common as well. They are chain/belt fed and are timed to avoid the possibility of jamming. These take longer to get their damage in, but the trade off is that while their damage is split across all of the shots over time, so is the total heat they generate. Example, if a single shot AC/5 generates 1 heat per shot every 1.50 seconds, a 3 shot Whirlwind AC/5 in an MG-style would generate 0.334 heat (rounded up for reasons) every shot once every 0.5 seconds, totaling 1 heat every 1.5 seconds. (Note: UACs of this type have two firing modes. Standard, and ultra. Standard it fires at the same rate as an AC. Ultra, it fires twice as fast).

We won't see these due to restrictions with a server authority, much like we probably won't see "water movement" speeds either.

Edited by Koniving, 17 November 2013 - 06:12 AM.

[Hennessey]

Koniving! Private matches my friend... Well, eventually... We will make magic... Soon™

[Lordred]

Some more.

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[Mighty Spike]

The Exploding K2 is .....woooow

[990Dreams]

If I could get an image storage account I'd upload some images I took/touched up in GIMP.

[Lordred]

DavidHurricane, on 20 November 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

If I could get an image storage account I'd upload some images I took/touched up in GIMP.

Drop Box is the least offensive, but I still prefer my personal host.

[990Dreams]

And on the topic of match recording:

So here is how I would write that program:
I would have it ta a 'snapshot' of all coordinates of the Mechs, along with which user/player slot/mech he/she was using in sync with the FPS rate of your GPU. Then it renders a file of the map and Mechs after the match. No advantage because all the text is is mumbo jumbo coordinates.

[Alaskan Nobody]

DavidHurricane, on 20 November 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

No advantage because all the text is is mumbo jumbo coordinates.

They had the coordinates shown when you looked at the framerates - people decoded the 'mumbo jumbo' and found ways to abuse it.

[990Dreams]

Shar Wolf, on 20 November 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

They had the coordinates shown when you looked at the framerates - people decoded the 'mumbo jumbo' and found ways to abuse it.

All you can do with the FPS coords is get more accurate data on you/your ally. 37 updates per second would like like this:

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435456154106016106501601201327032517517328158153271578517413417837815713

^That would be like one frame or so
EDIT: Assuming your FPS is 37, like mine

Edited by DavidHurricane, 20 November 2013 - 02:17 PM.