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[Mawai]

ForestGnome, on 10 April 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

1. MG's have never really been effective at anything against a mech in any battletech universe ever.
2. These MG's are the most powerful MG's ever released in a battletech anything.
3. 6 MG's can take out an atlas in less than 60 seconds at full armor. That is ridiculous.
4. These MG's are ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO BE USED AGAINST INFANTRY NOT MECHS READ THE ******** TECH MANUALS!
5. With my Cicada i can use a large pulse and 4 MG's to completely leg a raven in less than 30 seconds.
6. Read the list again.

1. MGs have always done damage to mechs. Read the **** TECH MANUALS.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Machine_Gun
" while still being effective at damaging BattleMechs"
Damage 2 - max range 3 (opt 1) - heat 0
Compare to small laser
Damage 3 - max range 3 (opt 1) - heat 1
In BT, MGs are 67% as effective as small lasers ... this is not the case in MWO. It is fine for them to make such a design decision but your statement is clearly wrong.

2. No they aren't. MGs in CBT are much more effective in total damage. I never used them in MW 1 to 4 so I can't compare the computer games.

3. MG.s do 0.04 damage/rd with a dps of 0.4 ... 6 of them will do a total of 2.4 damage/s. In 60 seconds this would be 144 damage ... so yes they could probably core an atlas in 60 seconds. However, a medium laser has a dps of 1.25 and a small laser a dps of 1.0 ... so either of these would core the Atlas in 20 to 30 seconds.

http://mwowiki.org/w...ategory:Weapons

4. Incorrect. See above. They are extremely effective against infantry but that is not their only role.

5. Large pulse is 2.5dps and 4mgs are 1.6 dps - about 4dps total with about 40% coming from MGs if you are within 90m and everything hits. Typical raven leg armor+ internal structure is probably around 40 giving a minimum time to leg it of about 10 seconds if it is standing still ... most of the damage coming from the laser. 30s isn't out of the question if your aim is good ... but the damage is coming from the laser ... the MGs are mostly just making noise

[Drenzul]

If it had 1dps it would still be worse than a SL, but that is fine, at least it would have some usage.

The MG which is mounted on mechs is not an anti-infantry weapon. It has never been an anti-infantry weapon. The fact it IS highly effective against infantry is simply a bonus, its a light anti-mech weapon, much like the 'MG' the A-10 thunderbolt uses (same weight approx), its almost certainly firing 20mm+ AP (and more likely APFSDSHD) rounds, which are designed to penetrate heavy armour.

In current 'IRL' military technology, we would consider the MG to be a automatic cannon rather than a machine gun as modern terminology anything with a barrel over 20mm is considered either a cannon or a mortar (Depending on barrel length vs bore)

Also as all armour in BT is ablative EVEN A TRUE INFANTRY MACHINE GUN WOULD CAUSE DAMAGE, this isn't like modern tank armour, its more like concrete in consistency and reaction to impacts than any other modern material.

And finally regardless of IRL comparisons it makes a damm cool sound and just for that fact alone, should do decent damage so we have a reason to hear the sound more!

[Barghest Whelp]

Tennex, on 10 April 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:

whoah hold your horses nobody says the MG needs to be as good as the small laser.

right now its only 0.4 dps to small laser's 1.0 dps. there is a lot of room for improvment without being as good as the small laser.

Actually, it needs to be better in terms of potential DPS. Why?

1. MG's use ammo and as such they effectively weigh more than SL's

2. MG's are a projectile based weapon, and as such will suffer from being less accurate than SL's

3. MG's are subject to ammo explosions

4. MG's spread their damage. Missiles got a buff to their damage because of spread, LB 10-X didn't, but the MG actually had it's damage reduced

Now, please give me a reason why the MG should not be better than the SL.

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