26 replies to this topic

[ObsidianSpectre]

Since ECM is balanced, why not let every mech carry it? I suggest adding an information warfare hardpoint to every mech, and letting every mech carry ECM. This way, people who want to run lights won't have to feel like they're gimping their team if they run anything other than a RVN-3L. People can run heavies without knowing whether they'll have a D-DC to back them up. Build diversity will increase, and the game will be better for it. Since ECM is balanced, the total number of ECM modules showing up the battlefield won't change much.

If PGI does this and then later changes their mind and decides that ECM isn't actually all that well balanced, this change will also ensure that ECM gets fixed in a correct way.

[Neolisk]

No. That would cause blind fighting at close range, and eliminate team play as we know it, because the radar would be useless.

[Scarcer]

No, no and no.

How ever it would be appropriate if most variants of compatible chassis are capable of carrying it; we wouldn't see much of an increase in use, but rather an increase in the variants used, I believe this would also be closer to cannon. All Ravens, Spiders etc, Atlas remains the same, introduce a heavy capable of electronic warfare instead. Etc

Also they should make BAP more useful.

But rather ECM isn't really broken, your just asking for attention.

Either get better aim, or learn to use TAG please if you have to use missiles.

ECM is largely negligible now-days, there are less noobs and ECM isn't as disruptive as when it was first introduced.

Edited by Scarcer, 09 April 2013 - 12:50 PM.

[DocBach]

ECM is just as disruptive as when it was introduced; the reason most people have no problem with it is the fact that its largely made missiles extinct, and have traded them in for direct fire weapons.

I agree with the OP, if ECM is truly fine, allow every 'Mech to carry it. If an item has to be limited to certain amounts or chassis, it makes me believe that somehow it isn't fine. Since everyone including PGI believes ECM is more or less where it should be, let everyone take it and go from there.

Edited by DocBach, 09 April 2013 - 01:38 PM.

[Sinthrow]

I think the OP has his point he is trying to make. If we could pick a day where everyone ran ecm Mechs all day and nothing else we could get a feel for his proposal.
It isn't going to happen.
I feel blue in the face for trying to get ecm tamed. I just started running them over the last 15days or so, I didn't run them much before that just cause I dislike what they did to them game. when ecm first came out I thought, thank god, streak overkill is over, it took me a week before I realized what a game changer it really was and how much I dislike ecm. If they are not going to change it there is little reason not to run with it, nothing else compares.

[Zphyr]

Ahahah... no.

Each mech have its pros and cons. Live with it.


PS: I use LRM and SSRM, no ECM.

[General Taskeen]

I have a thread here outlining possible variants that could get it now for the time being, upping the total to at least 11

[Idea][Disco] Should 'ecm' Units Better Reflect 'canon' Mechs?

[Pathfinder8992]

I think it adds uniqueness to the mechs, promotes teamwork, and strategy. If every mech had them it would make it more challenging to get the group in most games to act like a team.

[DocBach]

You mean if everyone had ECM they wouldn't have to huddle around whoever had ECM and be protected in their own right?

What's bad about that?

[Easyvue]

Sure, like the OP said PGI thinks that ECM is totally balanced right? So why not have all mechs have ECM unless of course PGI somehow decides that maybe an AOE anti missle/targeting shield that weighs almost nothing is unbalanced?

[FrostCollar]

Having ECM on only some mechs helps encourage diverse builds. If ECM is overpowered, ECM is overpowered. But the argument that ECM should be on every mech works for different weapon hardpoints and jump jets too. I want my mechs different yet balanced. Adding ECM to every mech wouldn't make that happen.

[DocBach]

Wait, is that sarcasam? According to a survey done by a member, right now the D-DC and 3L are the two most common 'Mechs that aren't hero 'Mechs in the game (right now Heavy Metal is the most common). Allowing other chassis might get people out of those two 'Mechs. Maybe we'd even see some medium 'Mechs again in this game if they could have ECM, too.

[DegeneratePervert]

Sounds awesome. Every single player would come equipped with it! Which is odd, considering it's so balanced.

[bookwood]

the whole ECM-thing shows me that either the devs are low-skilled players or they do not play their own game as much as they should. in any other case they would share the opinion of almost the whole community that ECM is a huge joke.

Edited by bookwood, 10 April 2013 - 01:25 AM.

[White Bear 84]

Edited by White Bear 84, 10 April 2013 - 01:52 AM.

[PyckenZot]

While we are at it, let's just make all mechs 100ton omnimechs. Wouldn't that be fun?

ECM is not broken. It is annoying, true, and could be better implemented, also true, but there are way more pressing issues in this game than finetuning ECM.

[bookwood]

PyckenZot, on 10 April 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

While we are at it, let's just make all mechs 100ton omnimechs. Wouldn't that be fun?

ECM is not broken. It is annoying, true, and could be better implemented, also true, but there are way more pressing issues in this game than finetuning ECM.

I think the OP wanted to say that this suggestion WOULD be a good way to show the devs and all those people who decline the "opness" that ECM is not balanced / is broken.

In the end, EVERYBODY would use ECM if it is possible to carry it with every mech, and THIS is a proof of being an unbalanced item.

Edited by bookwood, 10 April 2013 - 03:13 AM.

[buttmonkey]

i still think ecm should be removed. nothing will alter myopinion on that. i know what it was like to play before ecm

[Syllogy]

Part of the Balance is the Restriction of the Mech Chassis.

While I agree that the Raven 3L should not have been given ECM (personally, I'd have chosen the 4X), the restriction is a good balance mechanic that guarantees that you will never see everyone in a match running it.

[Bobzilla]

They admited something is wrong with ECM as every chasis that has an ECM capible variant, that ECM veriant gets used way, way more than the other veriants. So they made some changes to it and tag, PPC emp, and added some mods. People stop complaining more and more as time goes by (not becuase it works, beause there's only so much to say), then missles become useless anyways so as far as their concerned, its fine. Problem is, the majority of players are solo, non-tatical players that just don't care to play smart, which is were ECM can change things. Or your in a premade on chat, so ECM really does nothing cept for tell you when its close.

Restricing an item isn't balancing. It would be as dumb as, if to fix the last LRM splash problem, just limiting LRM's to a few chasis. Then they would be balanced right? No they would still be more effective than they should be, you just wouldn't have to deal with it as much.