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[Purplefluffybunny]

So, after Bryan's mention that some staff members received threatening emails I thought to myself "have I, me, in any way contributed to this?". Let me just qualify why I asked myself that question.

It is very rare that people will get so het up, to the extent that they send threatening emails just by themselves. Often these people have strong attachments to friends and the gaming communities they are a part of. A lot of human behaviour can be seen as driven by the need to bond and maintain bonds.

Generally these people feel that they have the backing or a silent nod from the people they hang out or game with. It is easy to see how people who use emotive language, such as myself, can unintentionally amplify hostility and provide 'justification' for acts that cannot really be justified.

I think it helps to reflect on one's own actions and their possible ramifications.

So, then I got thinking about Bryan's twitter feed of late. When he said something to the effect of 'let it burn' and expressed a Nietzschean sentiment that we must destroy in order to create, well, I thought precisely who or what is he referring to?

Considering the alleged threatening emails that were sent to King Leer from either Russ or Bryan, the want and desire that MWLL end and the alleged forced closure (note it is my belief that these events did occur, not all agree), and the fact that Bryan's twitter grammar implies a target that is in disagreement, well, yeah.

Would you expect anything other than a hostile email when you use such emotive language yourself?

I would like to end by stressing that I am NOT saying that this is the definitive interpretation of Bryan's twitter feed. I am just exploring one way it could be interpreted and read by others, in order to understand why people would send threatening emails.

Edited by Purplefluffybunny, 11 April 2013 - 05:06 AM.

[HighlandCoo]

Erm there is no justification for sending threatening messages. LEAST of all over a stupid game.

You should feel bad.

[Purplefluffybunny]

There is a reason why I put the word 'justification' in those little quotes. That means it is a contested term. If you read my post I clearly state you can't justify. Nice try Mr Guy!

Purplefluffybunny, on 11 April 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

[...] 'justification' for acts that cannot really be justified. [...]

Edited by Purplefluffybunny, 11 April 2013 - 02:54 AM.

[Mycrus]

Sorry didn't get it.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Mycrus, on 11 April 2013 - 02:53 AM, said:

Sorry didn't get it.

Nor does PGI but that is a topic for another thread that exists on these forums.

[Naja]

I'm sorry, but I read that through in it's entirety twice and I still didn't understand the point you were making. Are you saying that under certain circumstances it's acceptable to send threatening emails?

Not trying to poke fun, but could you give a definitive statement on what it is you're saying here?

[Sir Trent Howell]

There is no justification. Period.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Look guys, to make it clear I, myself, am not saying it is justified. I am trying to understand and assume a certain mind set. That mind set is what I define through expressing those interpretations. Look the last thing I say in that thread is.

Purplefluffybunny, on 11 April 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

I am just exploring one way it could be interpreted and read by others, in order to understand why people would send threatening emails.

Edited by Purplefluffybunny, 11 April 2013 - 03:05 AM.

[HighlandCoo]

Sounds like your trying to be an intellectual. Fact is your just being confusing.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Naja, on 11 April 2013 - 03:01 AM, said:

Not trying to poke fun, but could you give a definitive statement on what it is you're saying here?

There is quite a bit of back story to this and one time frame mentioned was when that polygon interview was released and the types of things Bryan said on his twitter feed to counter the bad PR. It was during that heated period threatening emails were sent and Bryan's mention of them in that 'CW response' post, needs to be understood in that context.

People got angry that PGI were and are considering making money out of an economy of social exclusion, to coin a phrase. So, I think looking at human bonds and threatening them is sound in the context of understanding those threatening emails.

EDIT: Does that clarify it enough?

Edited by Purplefluffybunny, 11 April 2013 - 03:11 AM.

[Khanublikhan]

It is human nature to be passionate about something. It is human nature to try and communicate that passion. There is no excuse for threats.

Disproportionate use of language (a lack of reading comprehension and debating skills)... ...well, welcome to the modern age.

[Devil Fox]

Why explore the mindset that results in the complete interpretation of a score of quotes that are of unknown correlation and importance relative to each other. This topic whilst trying to explore said mindset is dragging fragments of most likely unrelated material by flimsy strings and pulling out your own opinions of the actions involved in the event, when all you can base these on is the fact's as released by the parties.

There is no benefit to attempting to understanding such a flimsy and irrelevant attempt at connection information by opinionated ideals and rumor. Misinterpreting a sentence such as the P2Play CW is done based on released media/facts that didn't attempt to correlate to other material, but the history that PGI have with the community. Whilst I'm finishing this troll, I don't support or condone the use of threats or aggravated messages via any means to another individual, it is wrong and if was done in the real world you would probably have been reported to the police.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Khanublikhan, on 11 April 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

[...] There is no excuse for threats.

Presumably unless you hold exclusive commercial rights to the mechwarrior IP, right? I am sorry some of you think I am intentionally being aloof and confusing, I really do speak and think like this in real life. It is sad I know but I can't help it, sorry.

Edited by Purplefluffybunny, 11 April 2013 - 03:18 AM.

[Alilua]

Sadly living legends works and this game doesn't.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Apostal, on 11 April 2013 - 03:14 AM, said:

Why explore the mindset that results in the complete interpretation of a score of quotes that are of unknown correlation and importance relative to each other. This topic whilst trying to explore said mindset is dragging fragments of most likely unrelated material by flimsy strings and pulling out your own opinions of the actions involved in the event, when all you can base these on is the fact's as released by the parties.

There is no benefit to attempting to understanding such a flimsy and irrelevant attempt at connection information by opinionated ideals and rumor. Misinterpreting a sentence such as the P2Play CW is done based on released media/facts that didn't attempt to correlate to other material, but the history that PGI have with the community. Whilst I'm finishing this troll, I don't support or condone the use of threats or aggravated messages via any means to another individual, it is wrong and if was done in the real world you would probably have been reported to the police.

With all due respects, I disagree.

[HugoStiglitz]

I was under the impression that PGI never sent any threatening letters to MWLL. In fact both developers insisted that that was never the case. Russ met with them at GDC 2012 and they both agreed that splitting the fan base would be a bad idea, MWLL finished what they were working on and closed up shop.

As for everything else, I'm not exactly sure if you know what you wanted to do with your post. You seem to give justification as to why people should send threatening letters, yet you state in later posts that that's not the case.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Just to note again, for those that are misreading slightly, the thread title does not even say 'can one justify?'. It says 'can one expect?'. Given certain stimulus can you expect this to happen? What would you expect to happen given x, y and z?'.

I hope the above is not it misread as an attempt by me at faux intellectualism. I am just clarifying.

[Moromillas]

This is just people being people, you expect them not to threaten, to fear, or to kill each other? I don't know why anyone is surprised by this.

Do you have any links as to where you're getting this information from by the way? He could have been talking about burning Mechs with the flamer for all we know.

[Purplefluffybunny]

HugoStiglitz, on 11 April 2013 - 03:21 AM, said:

I was under the impression that PGI never sent any threatening letters to MWLL. In fact both developers insisted that that was never the case. Russ met with them at GDC 2012 and they both agreed that splitting the fan base would be a bad idea, MWLL finished what they were working on and closed up shop.

As for everything else, I'm not exactly sure if you know what you wanted to do with your post. You seem to give justification as to why people should send threatening letters, yet you state in later posts that that's not the case.

Imagine for a moment that you did believe that such emails were sent. Imagine that you also believed that PGI did force MWLL to close.

Yes, if you don't believe that I am asking you the reader for a suspension of disbelief so you can empathize with a character in the story, who does believe those things. I ask you to imagine the type of emotions you might feel if you held such beliefs and passions and were a member of a gaming community that was no more. What's more that those taking your gaming community away from you have the cheek to say 'let it burn', 'we must destroy in order to create'.

Again sorry if you think this is faux intellectualism.

Edited by Purplefluffybunny, 11 April 2013 - 03:29 AM.

[zmeul]

HighlandCoo, on 11 April 2013 - 02:50 AM, said:

LEAST of all over a stupid game.

stupid game(s) that people poured hundreds of their own money in
you should know better