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[Baltasar]

Yep, most of my games have at least 3 to 4 poptarts and the rest mix between ac/20 and ppc/laser builds...you know what I don't see....LRMs. Although, I imagine the poptart flavor is mainly because the latest mech has jump jets and can stack ppcs.

[TexAce]

GODzillaGSPB, on 16 April 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

But I don't like light mechs. Plus many people already followed your suggestion, that's why groups of 4 lights per team are not as seldom a sight as one would think.

Am I an ***** for NOT running cheesebuilds? Probably. Why don't I change my Jagermech 6DD to a dual-ac20? Because I still want to play MechWarrior and NOT min-max-warrior.

Use 1 ERPPC, 1 Gauss, 1LL and 3 Machine Guns for lols. Build works very well. XL250 btw and Endo

Boydsan, on 16 April 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Truth be said... he is hoping for EA's old MPBT 3025 - to come out still. I do too... where we all started off as light pilots and we had to earn our way to mediums and then earn our way to heavies and few people could earn their way into assaults. Then, you had to play STOCK 3025 variants. None of this customizable MWO, Mech 4, BS we have here?

I personally think the ability to customize their mechs has turned this game from great to ... @*#& (crap). Why? Its an ARMS race, literally. I buy a new 'mech. I will not play it until I earn an extra 1.5 million c-bills for Double Heat sinks. Most 'mechs also require Endo Steel as well... another 500K to a million down the drain.

If i was a noob, I would be too poor and new to understand that Double Heat Sinks are worth every c-bill and a "MUST HAVE" item. Likewise, most chassis require Endo Steel to be a "MUST HAVE" item. 'Mechs that have the ability to use ECM need those ECMs - they are a "MUST HAVE" if the mech can have them... they need to. Ever see an Atlas D-DC without ECM and you go @#*& me? Why?

War is, was and always will be an arms race. Oh and not all builds work better with endo steel.

FrDrake, on 16 April 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Hmm yea I just saw in your sig you like the Hunchbacks, mediums are in a rough spot, not fast enough and not armored enough to survive either way. My k/d in my treb is pretty bad compared to all other classes.

Take the 7M, put 1ERPPC, 2ML, 2SRM6 and 1 SSRM2 onto it with a XL250 and full JJs - very good build.

Edited by TexAss, 16 April 2013 - 02:11 PM.

[Davers]

TexAss, on 16 April 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

War is, was and always will be an arms race.

Except in interviews the Devs implicitly stated that MW:O was NOT going to be an arms race and that all weight classes would be equally valid.

[TexAce]

Davers, on 16 April 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Except in interviews the Devs implicitly stated that MW:O was NOT going to be an arms race and that all weight classes would be equally valid.

lol and you seriously believed that?

bwahahahahaaa

All classes are valid. I can show you my K/D ratios (I'm playing everything but lights). All are good, even mediums. Hell I'm even still doing great in my AWS--8R brawler with 4xSRM6+Arty

[Dr Killinger]

Haven't seen one, tbh.

[Ens]

Duncan Fisher, on 16 April 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

This patch broke the game even more than the last patch. Unless you're a fan of jumpsniperwarrior online that is... but if it's what the majority wants, then how can you argue?

whenever a new mech comes out...

"FOTM" - Flavor of the Month....


it will hold on for 1 or 2 weeks.... then it will fade over time
new mech has JJ.... it was obvious that there would be more potarting


rage again when there will be 5 or 6 Flea mechs within one team when it will hit mwo

[LordBraxton]

Didn't change anything.

It just added another chassis to mount the same weapons we were using BEFORE the patch

PPCs\Gauss\AC20

or go home

[Theron Branson]

To the OP, this is why the PPC and Large Laser was fitted to just about all mechs in the IS because they are the main weapons. On some maps it's made the Dual Ac20 Cats/Jager a much less favorable build. Even on TT I would use say a Warhammer and use it's longer range weapons and try to stay out of reach of my enemy. These are just standard tactics used by armored forces around the world hide and shoot then scoot. I think the game is great now.

[Davers]

TexAss, on 16 April 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

lol and you seriously believed that?

bwahahahahaaa

All classes are valid. I can show you my K/D ratios (I'm playing everything but lights). All are good, even mediums. Hell I'm even still doing great in my AWS--8R brawler with 4xSRM6+Arty

LOL I hope you mean Artemis, not artillery.

[Brilig]

Duncan Fisher, on 16 April 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

This patch broke the game even more than the last patch. Unless you're a fan of jumpsniperwarrior online that is... but if it's what the majority wants, then how can you argue?

I don't know if its a case of this is what the majority wants, or if its more along the lines of its an effective tactic. With convergence the way it is high alpha builds are the way to go. They are very efficient, and even with mediocre aiming skill they are deadly.

On the note of mediocre aiming skills, its true that there is no target to big or to close to miss. That being said aiming in this game is easy mode. The only things that provides a small challenge to putting rounds on target are light mechs. If you have ever clicked on a windows icon before, you can hit a battlemech in MWO.

Now if you can reliably punch out the cockpit on an Atlas, then I tip my hat to you. If you think your awesome because you can put a PPC alpha into someone's center torso then your being silly.

Edited by Brilig, 16 April 2013 - 02:29 PM.

[RobustWarrior]

I'm downloading this game right now and I don't have the slightest clue. PPC DRM PWNAGE, is this game fudged and I shouldn't bother d/l it?

[Ph30nix]

GODzillaGSPB, on 16 April 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

And didn't we all laugh about the thought of a 90t poptard? Who would want that? And how could this even work, a big target like that?

Well...I just had a few couple games after the patch and I gotta say I'm almost at the point of throwing this game off the pc.

Boats, for the most part. Large lasers and ppcs everywhere. And the former joke, the Highlander with 2 ERPPC and 1 Gauss as a poptard among them.

This game has now officially become a parody of the name "MechWarrior". My personal thanks goes to all those who actively worked to ruin this game for the old fans, those who liked the books and the older games. You are the best!


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i have zero problem with boats, or poptarts personally, and i dont use either for the most part. i dont consider my 4 ac2 jager a boat. its just fun

[Davers]

RobustWarrior, on 16 April 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

I'm downloading this game right now and I don't have the slightest clue. PPC DRM PWNAGE, is this game fudged and I shouldn't bother d/l it?

It's actually a fun game, but we exaggerate on the forums to some degree. Once you get through your first 25 matches you can buy any death machine you want, and after 100 matches you will see a significant improvement in your playing (statistically speaking). But your first few games will probably be rough. Try to make it through and you will find a fun game. Good luck.

[Karenai]

With LRMs beeing usless there is no reason not to pop, because there is no suppression at all.
When one part of the game gets nerfed way into the ground, the thing it was meant to counter excels.
Either you run sniper poptard or run in with your ACs. Now that PPC, ACs and Gauss actually hit for most people everyone pops, even lasers are underpowered again. Now, those with the best FPS win, not just those with the best ping. (getting hit hard way behind cover gives a great feeling of accomplishment)

MWO is going more into console style 3d shooter, then a PC Mech Game.

You stroll around in your assault mech see two mechs pop up, they shoot you once, you explode. Because why not.

Should they ever come around and fix LRM, people will actually explode even faster, then they do now. Less tactics, less movment just running around for 2+minutes untill the first ones explode, not even knowing from where the fire came.
If pistol rounds were your thing in CS, you will love MWO in the future.

[Bobdolemite]

Davers, on 16 April 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

It's actually a fun game, but we exaggerate on the forums to some degree. Once you get through your first 25 matches you can buy any death machine you want, and after 100 matches you will see a significant improvement in your playing (statistically speaking). But your first few games will probably be rough. Try to make it through and you will find a fun game. Good luck.

^ This

Take the fact that people care as a good sign, every game has its gripes about balance. Several things are not working properly but they are working on all aspects. When LRMS are back poptarting will be slightly less popular. Then there will be a whole new QQ fest.

Use the forums like I do, to find new builds based on what people are complaining about (guilty pleasure) I play around with these variants for a while and always end up back to something more balanced (save my jagers which are dual gauss and ac20 respectively)

Edited by Bobdolemite, 16 April 2013 - 04:06 PM.

[Davers]

Karenai, on 16 April 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

With LRMs beeing usless there is no reason not to pop, because there is no suppression at all.
When one part of the game gets nerfed way into the ground, the thing it was meant to counter excels.
Either you run sniper poptard or run in with your ACs. Now that PPC, ACs and Gauss actually hit for most people everyone pops, even lasers are underpowered again. Now, those with the best FPS win, not just those with the best ping. (getting hit hard way behind cover gives a great feeling of accomplishment)

MWO is going more into console style 3d shooter, then a PC Mech Game.

You stroll around in your assault mech see two mechs pop up, they shoot you once, you explode. Because why not.

Should they ever come around and fix LRM, people will actually explode even faster, then they do now. Less tactics, less movment just running around for 2+minutes untill the first ones explode, not even knowing from where the fire came.
If pistol rounds were your thing in CS, you will love MWO in the future.

Snipers are the rock to LRM's scissors. Not the other way around.

[IceGryphon]

Maybe PGI can get a Kellogg's to fund Poptartwarrior online?
IT'S CRAZY GOOD!

[General Taskeen]

FrDrake, on 16 April 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Play light mechs, nom poptards.

That's what I do in the current MetaDerp Online. Fastest Mech, high leg armor, troll every game by prolonging the herp derp matches as LONG as possible.

That's just how I [t]roll.

[Nick Drezary]

And what else were you expecting from ballistics fix or a highlander? Especially in one day!

[Brixx]

I also do not see the problem in the pop-tart build in itself. It is rather the frequency of encountering them. This aswell goes for the numbers. I do not per se see them as a problem or OP but sadly its proven to be rather efficient without much thinking required. So therefore we had plenty poptards and boats on either side thus resulting in very static matches. I´d also sign the the thought of Bobdolemite. There is not so much to counter a poptard efficiently when you are pugging or playing in small groups besides going for the safe zone and picking a poptardboat yourself. You cannot rely on light mechs dealing with those or them even being here. And honestly I think that communication is hardly possible. Nobody is using the C3 VOIP and using text chat is rather inefficient when you try to go too much into detail. Giving enemy location is possible but really handling a 8-man group of strangers... hardly works.

Edited by Brixx, 16 April 2013 - 02:37 PM.