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[Smiffy]

Hey guys,

I have been out of the game since October(I bricked my computer 3D modeling). I am getting a new computer in the next few days and hopefully back in. I love the dragon in the game and in CBT, so I am looking for some suggestions for a serviceable brawler. I believe that I have a 5N, and I was playing arround with an LBX. I was also thinking about picking up one of the new hero variants probably Fang.

Any thoughts?


EDIT: I meant Striker, not Brawler.

EDIT2: What I have come up with thus far
DRG-FLAME - unnamed
and
http://mechromancer....1,0,1,0,0,0,0,0
I kind of like the Fang due to the addition heatsinks but yeah.
EDIT3: I made a 5N variant too
DRG-5N - TripDeuce

Edited by Smiffy, 14 April 2013 - 10:38 PM.

[Lefty Lucy]

I like either the 5N or 1C with two ERLL and a gauss rifle.

[Stone Profit]

Four medium lasers and a gauss with a max engine.

[DCLXVI]

Smiffy, on 14 April 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

Hey guys,

I have been out of the game since October(I bricked my computer 3D modeling). I am getting a new computer in the next few days and hopefully back in. I love the dragon in the game and in CBT, so I am looking for some suggestions for a serviceable brawler. I believe that I have a 5N, and I was playing arround with an LBX. I was also thinking about picking up one of the new hero variants probably Fang.

Any thoughts?

there will likely be a dragon hero mech announced on the 16, or 19th even XD

[hammerreborn]

LBX is not exactly great. It can shred a light and maybe some mediums, but other than back shots its not really going to do anything to anything else.

Not really sure how you can really do "brawler" with the 5N. Two E in the arms seems more suited for large lasers which are really nice right about now, or ppcs.

The other arm can only hold a guass, not an ac20, so once again you have sniper weapons going.

Lefty Lucy, on 14 April 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

I like either the 5N or 1C with two ERLL and a gauss rifle.

Basically what this guy said

[IceCase88]

Get the Flame only. All the other variants are terrible. The hardpoints are unbalanced. If you want to master the Flame like I did, I used the 1c and 1n. It was a tough grind using them. The Flame is pretty awesome though. Hardpoints are balanced and make sense.

[hammerreborn]

IceCase88, on 14 April 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

Get the Flame only. All the other variants are terrible. The hardpoints are unbalanced. If you want to master the Flame like I did, I used the 1c and 1n. It was a tough grind using them. The Flame is pretty awesome though. Hardpoints are balanced and make sense.

Also what this guy said, don't get Fang.

[TheSteelRhino]

Flame is probably the best. If you want a cbill dragon, then the 1C is probably best all around.

5N just cannot really do anything the 1C can't .unless you plan on mounting multiple ballistics...(and 1C had more energy hardpoints)

1N has 2 missile hardpoints but since they are in the CT you could do 2 LRM5's, 2 srm 4's or 2 streaks....But the energy hardpoints kind of blow.

[Merky Merc]

Don't use one?




Jk, sort of... they're not my cup of tea. All the wrong hardpoints for a fast flanker and poor ones for a brawler, imo at least.

[Aurien Titus]

DCLXVI, on 14 April 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:

there will likely be a dragon hero mech announced on the 16, or 19th even XD

This right here is how misinformation gets spread around the forums. Got a link to to this coming from a dev? And why in gods name would they be making a 3rd hero Dragon 'mech? Plenty of other 'mechs that don't even have one hero 'mech yet. I think you're just talking out your ***.

[Noobzorz]

hammerreborn, on 14 April 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

LBX is not exactly great. It can shred a light and maybe some mediums, but other than back shots its not really going to do anything to anything else.

Not really sure how you can really do "brawler" with the 5N. Two E in the arms seems more suited for large lasers which are really nice right about now, or ppcs.

The other arm can only hold a guass, not an ac20, so once again you have sniper weapons going.



Basically what this guy said

The only reason to take a 5N is to do the triple AC/2 build and be extra sneaky. I have had a 700 damage game with that on more than one occasion (you will also RAVAGE other Dragons in 1v1 brawls, should you come across any; that includes the Fang and the Flame, who you will shatter into pieces with comical effort, especially relative to how bad the mech is at brawling anything else). If you want to brawl, the 2xSRM4 the 1N can rock and the 4xMLAS the 1C can bring are better than the 5Ns relatively crappy brawling.

Aurien Titus, on 14 April 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

This right here is how misinformation gets spread around the forums. Got a link to to this coming from a dev? And why in gods name would they be making a 3rd hero Dragon 'mech? Plenty of other 'mechs that don't even have one hero 'mech yet. I think you're just talking out your ***.

He's talking about the champion mech that some people are speculating about because of the 5N© designation. I'm with you though: I'm not convinced either.

Edited by Noobzorz, 14 April 2013 - 09:20 PM.

[hammerreborn]

Aurien Titus, on 14 April 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

This right here is how misinformation gets spread around the forums. Got a link to to this coming from a dev? And why in gods name would they be making a 3rd hero Dragon 'mech? Plenty of other 'mechs that don't even have one hero 'mech yet. I think you're just talking out your ***.

I think he meant champion. Which I guess he's assuming is going to be the custom trial one that was just done.

[One Medic Army]

Smiffy, on 14 April 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

Hey guys,

I have been out of the game since October(I bricked my computer 3D modeling). I am getting a new computer in the next few days and hopefully back in. I love the dragon in the game and in CBT, so I am looking for some suggestions for a serviceable brawler. I believe that I have a 5N, and I was playing arround with an LBX. I was also thinking about picking up one of the new hero variants probably Fang.

Any thoughts?

If you want to brawl: Don't use a dragon.
Dragons have exactly one thing going for them in MWO, they're fast.
Thus most of the good dragon builds function less as brawlers than as strikers. Hit and run.

Brawling is best left to mechs like the Cataphract that can spread damage around their various sections (and have far better hardpoints).

I say this as someone who has 3 dragons (2 mastered, 3rd full elite) and played dragons quite a bit in closed beta as well.

Edited by One Medic Army, 14 April 2013 - 09:18 PM.

[Smiffy]

I was lookin into the Fang with LBX, 3 Medium Pulse Lasers and an SRM6, swapping the chassis back to standard, FF armour, 12 double heatsinks, 2 tons of LBX ammo, 1 ton of SRM ammo, and a 300XL engine.

I am an AC/SRM kinda guy. Funny enough though, in the TT, my current Dragon has 7 medium lasers and 2 SRM6's...also a retractable blade and TSM.

[Lefty Lucy]

One Medic Army, on 14 April 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

Brawling is best left to mechs like the Cataphract that can spread damage around their various sections (and have far better hardpoints).

I say this as someone who has 3 dragons (2 mastered, 3rd full elite) and played dragons quite a bit in closed beta as well.

I think I can't stress this point enough. The Dragon not only has a huge CT, but it's easy to hit from nearly any angle. If you're brawling in a Dragon you're going to get cored quickly and often, and the enemy doesn't even need to have very good aim, no matter how fast you're moving.

Smiffy, on 14 April 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

I was lookin into the Fang with LBX, 3 Medium Pulse Lasers and an SRM6, swapping the chassis back to standard, FF armour, 12 double heatsinks, 2 tons of LBX ammo, 1 ton of SRM ammo, and a 300XL engine.

Holy shizballs, why would you ever make this change? You realize that FF armor is only a weight-saving device, and is not as good at it as ES right?

[Smiffy]

One Medic Army, on 14 April 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

If you want to brawl: Don't use a dragon.
Dragons have exactly one thing going for them in MWO, they're fast.
Thus most of the good dragon builds function less as brawlers than as strikers. Hit and run.

Brawling is best left to mechs like the Cataphract that can spread damage around their various sections (and have far better hardpoints).

I say this as someone who has 3 dragons (2 mastered, 3rd full elite) and played dragons quite a bit in closed beta as well.

I think I have Striker and Brawler mixed up. I want to strike...this is what happens when you are out of the proverbial loop for 6 months ha.

[armyof1]

I really don't feel Dragons in general should be considered for brawling, they are too fragile to expose themselves to enemies since you have to use an XL engine to get any kind of decent build. Even if you run an std engine that huge, protruding CT will get you killed quick in close encounters. If you want to play it like a medium that has some decent ranged weapons, try the DRG-1C with 2xLL in the arm and 2xPPC in the shoulder, XL300 and fill it up with DHS. It's my favorite Dragon build and really fun to run around either messing with lights or sniping from distance. The PPCs work really well even as a flanker as they're nice to run and gun with between buildings while the LLs are good to burn the feet on lights with.

[Smiffy]

Lefty Lucy, on 14 April 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

Holy shizballs, why would you ever make this change? You realize that FF armor is only a weight-saving device, and is not as good at it as ES right?

The change wasnt so much for wieght but for critical locations. the XL engine was for wieght, the ES to STD was for space.

[Lefty Lucy]

Smiffy, on 14 April 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

The change wasnt so much for wieght but for critical locations. the XL engine was for wieght, the ES to STD was for space.

But FF armor takes up just as much critical space but gives you worse weight savings.

[armyof1]

Smiffy, on 14 April 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

The change wasnt so much for wieght but for critical locations. the XL engine was for wieght, the ES to STD was for space.

Both ES and FF will take the same amount of critical slots from you, but with the difference that ES saves you a few tons more in weight. so ES before FF for sure.

Edited by armyof1, 14 April 2013 - 09:31 PM.