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[SC1P1O]

Is this amount of threads complaining about game play similar for most games?
Or is it just a sign of the general frustration a lot of players are feeling towards the developers?
It seems overall that there are very few positive posts, granted you feel like playing if things are going great and not writing a forum post.

Are we all haters, or is this game really accelerating to free fall down a black hole?

[Syllogy]

Meh. Forumwarriors are the vocal ones. Most people will roll with the punches.

[Gallowglas]

This is pretty typical of most games, I think. World of Warcraft has its share of people who claim that every single patch is a personal slap in the face to their preferred class. I think it's simply that forumgoers are often an opinionated segment of the player base and that the presence of anonymity causes courtesy and diplomacy to take a back seat.

[SkkyHigh]

This is what happpens when it takes ten years for a new MW game!

[Zerberus]

As a general rule, the more threads there are complaining about different things, the more things are working properly or close to it. When everybody is simultaneously bitching that their weapon of choice X sucks compared to weapon Y, and it`s the same with all weapons in the game, you have near perfect balance across the board.

When the entire forum is up in arms about something specific, you may have an issue to look into.

"NEVER, EVER, take forum whine threads at face value, but do accept that there may be a thread of truth to them" should be the very first thing that any community representative is taught.

[tenderloving]

These threads we're seeing are pretty focused on one issue, which lends a lot to their credibility.

Most game forums are full of constant complaints, but the complaints only tend to sync up on real issues.

Past examples from this game where the complaints were focused on one issue, and the complainers were 100% correct:

OpenBetagate (nobody talks about this anymore)
LRMgate
Coolantgate

[Syllogy]

I wouldn't say 100% correct.

However, I would like to take this opportunity to point out that ECM has not changed, and yet nobody talks about how ECM is OP anymore.

[Tykelau]

When I was playing iRacing seriously I was a regular on the forums. Everyone playing iRacing was registered under their actual name though, and those forums seemed to have much less negativity. Might be due to the nature of the game also, but having your real name beside every post seemed like a big deterrent to being a jerk.

[tenderloving]

Syllogy, on 18 April 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

I wouldn't say 100% correct.

However, I would like to take this opportunity to point out that ECM has not changed, and yet nobody talks about how ECM is OP anymore.

That's because nobody uses missiles and lights get one-shotted whenever they show their faces. Target info is also not required to peek over a ridge and unleash a torrent of death on a mech-shaped blob on the other side of the map.

The mods also shut down any ECM threads that crop up because there is a dedicated ECM thread in the Heat Sink area. That is still regularly posted on.


And please explain how the complainers were wrong about any of these issues.

Edited by tenderloving, 18 April 2013 - 08:12 AM.

[Syllogy]

tenderloving, on 18 April 2013 - 08:11 AM, said:

That's because nobody uses missiles and lights get one-shotted whenever they show their faces. Target info is also not required to peek over a ridge and unleash a torrent of death on a mech-shaped blob on the other side of the map.

So what you are saying is... Direct Fire Weapons are not affected by ECM and are therefor an acceptable counter?

[tenderloving]

Syllogy, on 18 April 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

So what you are saying is... Direct Fire Weapons are not affected by ECM and are therefor an acceptable counter?

If you're willing to accept that a certain weapon type has been completely removed from the game, then that's cool with me.

Interestingly enough, you say in another thread where you are also spewing nonsense that LRMs need to be viable. The logical gymnastics your brain must go through to hold these opposing positions is astounding.

[Syllogy]

I never complained about ECM while using LRM's.

I used the available counters (PPCs, TAG, etc.) and did very well with LRMs.

[tenderloving]

Syllogy, on 18 April 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

I never complained about ECM while using LRM's.

I used the available counters (PPCs, TAG, etc.) and did very well with LRMs.

At this point you are reaching shill status. I have never seen you respond to a complaint post without cherry-picking. (In this thread you ignore my mention of the oft-updated ECM thread in the hot topic heat sink, because it refutes your claim that nobody complains about ECM.) And your answers are pretty much taken from dev responses.

No, you did not "use the available counters" and do very well. Nobody did very well with LRMs, hence the complaints. There were people at low elo levels that did okay, but they were competing with stock mechs so they would do okay if they set a brick on their keyboard and walked away. There is also a distinct lack of ECM in the stock mechs.

Also, you never responded as to how the complainers were not correct about OpenBetagate, LRMgate, and Coolantgate. - more cherry-picking

Edited by tenderloving, 18 April 2013 - 08:25 AM.

[MaddMaxx]

tenderloving, on 18 April 2013 - 08:02 AM, said:

These threads we're seeing are pretty focused on one issue, which lends a lot to their credibility.

Most game forums are full of constant complaints, but the complaints only tend to sync up on real issues.

Past examples from this game where the complaints were focused on one issue, and the complainers were 100% correct:

OpenBetagate (nobody talks about this anymore)
LRMgate
Coolantgate

And do not forget the BIG one.

FrontYardGate

nearly lost it over that one.

[tenderloving]

MaddMaxx, on 18 April 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

And do not forget the BIG one.

FrontYardGate

nearly lost it over that one.

That was the worst of them all. It took a lot of complaining to get PGI to remove the damn kids from our lawn. They ruined the begonias.

Edited by tenderloving, 18 April 2013 - 08:31 AM.

[MaddMaxx]

Syllogy, on 18 April 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

I never complained about ECM while using LRM's.

I used the available counters (PPCs, TAG, etc.) and did very well with LRMs.

We killed 4 PopTarts this morning with some very well coordinated LRM (did the bulk of the work) support. The other Team even had the balls to QQ about it. One can only LOL!

[Ransack]

Syllogy, on 18 April 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

I wouldn't say 100% correct.

However, I would like to take this opportunity to point out that ECM has not changed, and yet nobody talks about how ECM is OP anymore.

because the devs have said that it's staying pretty much as is already. What's the point?

ECM is still broken and OP as hell. The discussion is in another area now but if you go look at the ECM post, you would see that it is still going.

[DrSecretStache]

Tykelau, on 18 April 2013 - 08:04 AM, said:

When I was playing iRacing seriously I was a regular on the forums. Everyone playing iRacing was registered under their actual name though, and those forums seemed to have much less negativity. Might be due to the nature of the game also, but having your real name beside every post seemed like a big deterrent to being a jerk.

Actually, the Google+ MWO community is a lot like this. We have a lot of good discussion most of the time, as well as lots of player movies. I would go so far as to say that I like it better than the forums here, except there isn't as much activity. Which might not necessarily be a bad thing, in hindsight.

[AlmightyAeng]

You get all the complaints and rage because of the meta balance. A lot of people expect a rock/paper/scissors approach using tactics.

They expect that brawlers will be useless at long range, and terrifying up close.
They expect snipers to be terrifying at range, but vulnerable up close.
They expect missiles to be an actual deterrent instead of an annoyance.
They expect lights to be difficult to hit, but easy to damage, and assaults the opposite.

The forum rage happens when these expectations of balance aren't fulfilled, and people suggest ways to fix it...and everyone reads it, and thinks "How will this effect what *I* like best?" and every flips their ****.

I just hope PGI ends up putting checks and balances back into their meta. Granted, it takes time, but when snipers are just as terrifying up close and brawlers builds don't do more damage, and often do less comparatively, something is wrong. I do appreciate all the light mech crying about finally getting hit and destroyed more consistently due to HSR...I think that's a step in the RIGHT direction.

[Elizander]

SC1P1O, on 18 April 2013 - 07:42 AM, said:

Is this amount of threads complaining about game play similar for most games?
Or is it just a sign of the general frustration a lot of players are feeling towards the developers?
It seems overall that there are very few positive posts, granted you feel like playing if things are going great and not writing a forum post.

Are we all haters, or is this game really accelerating to free fall down a black hole?

Not really feeling upset over most of the changes. I'm having more fun now that my stuff actually hits. My biggest issues before were Lag Shield, Crashes, Black Screens, and a horrible New Player Experience. Most of those are already being addressed and though the NPE still needs some work, it's getting there.

Poptarting, boating, Weapon X is OP Weapon Y is UP, ECM, blah blah blah are irrelevant issues to my enjoyment right now. I thought Coolant, Airstrike, and Artillery would be an issue but in my pug experience it is not.

I play all weight classes and I even enjoy using mechs people think are bad like Hunchbacks, Dragons, and Awesomes. I pilot a Jenner(F) as my light mech and I've fought ECM lights with streaks with no problem. I've got my head blown off a lot of times in my Catapult and I've headshotted various other mechs in return. I shrug off a lot of complaints on the forums because they are not issues for me.

Can the game still improve a lot? Yes. Is the sky falling for me in the game's current state and direction? No, not really. Should they release the Battlemaster? Hell yeah.

Edited by Elizander, 18 April 2013 - 08:57 AM.