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[Khell DarkWolf]

So,

I'm looking at the higherlander that was just released.

I knew what was coming and had already planned what to make use of them.

I see them released and overview them.

Upon closer inspection, 2 hard points have been removed from every variant.

Whaaaa!?

I am baffled. Why would you choose to nerf the hard points to an already fine mech?

That isn't cannon at all or fine to the other mechs that have been released with the extra options to interchange their loadouts with extra hard points.

If its in relation to the atlas being bullied out, I say "tough". Atlas still has more armor and is more beefier with more space for tonnage.

This is a low blow to have the highlander be the first mech to have reduced hardpoints on its initial release.

[Escef]

Hard points are not canon. No, literally, the concept does not exist in canon.

[Suprentus]

How does it have reduced hardpoints? I don't get it.

[Tie Ma]

?

[Team Leader]

The only way it could have reduced hardpoints is if there were weapons there that they took out and don't let you mount... Whaaaa

[Khell DarkWolf]

HGN-732: 1 Ballistic, 1 Missile Hard point removed
HGN-733: 1 Ballistic, 1 Missile hard point removed
HGN-733C: 1 Ballistic, 1 missile
HGN-733P: 1 Energy, 1 missile hard point removed

It is still a slap in the face to not have the versatility like every other mech has with extra hard points on their release.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Jumpjets, there's your versatility.

Edited by Lukoi, 16 April 2013 - 03:58 PM.

[Escef]

Khell DarkWolf, on 16 April 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

HGN-732: 1 Ballistic, 1 Missile Hard point removed
HGN-733: 1 Ballistic, 1 Missile hard point removed
HGN-733C: 1 Ballistic, 1 missile
HGN-733P: 1 Energy, 1 missile hard point removed

It is still a slap in the face to not have the versatility like every other mech has with extra hard points on their release.

Please, tell me your source for these hard points you claim aren't there?

[Escef]

Also, the only canon Highlander I know of that mounted more than 1 ballistic weapon was the model 694, not available until sometime during the FedCom Civil War.

[SMDMadCow]

10/10 Troll

[Strum Wealh]

Escef, on 16 April 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

Hard points are not canon. No, literally, the concept does not exist in canon.

Actually, they are - see pages 188-189 of Strategic Operations.

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Khell DarkWolf, on 16 April 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

So,

I'm looking at the higherlander that was just released.

I knew what was coming and had already planned what to make use of them.

I see them released and overview them.

Upon closer inspection, 2 hard points have been removed from every variant.

Whaaaa!?

I am baffled. Why would you choose to nerf the hard points to an already fine mech?

That isn't cannon at all or fine to the other mechs that have been released with the extra options to interchange their loadouts with extra hard points.

If its in relation to the atlas being bullied out, I say "tough". Atlas still has more armor and is more beefier with more space for tonnage.

This is a low blow to have the highlander be the first mech to have reduced hardpoints on its initial release.

Khell DarkWolf, on 16 April 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

HGN-732: 1 Ballistic, 1 Missile Hard point removed
HGN-733: 1 Ballistic, 1 Missile hard point removed
HGN-733C: 1 Ballistic, 1 missile
HGN-733P: 1 Energy, 1 missile hard point removed

It is still a slap in the face to not have the versatility like every other mech has with extra hard points on their release.

The HGN variants would generally have a minimum of 5 hardpoints.

Strum Wealh, on 10 April 2013 - 04:16 PM, said:

According to Ask the Devs 27, what we're getting is the HGN-732, HGN-733, HGN-733C, and HGN-733P.

HGN-732: "standard" variant equipped with a Gauss Rifle, FF Armor, and CASE
HGN-733: "low-tech" variant replacing the GR with an AC/10
HGN-733C: sub-variant replacing the AC/10 with an AC/20
HGN-733P: sub-variant replacing the AC/10 with a PPC

The HGN-732, HGN-733, and HGN-733C would necessarily have the same general layout (a minimum of one (1) ballistic hardpoint in the Right Arm, a minimum of two (2) energy hardpoints in the Right Torso, a minimum of one (1) missile hardpoint in the Left Torso, and a minimum of one (1) missile hardpoint in the Left Arm), but would likely vary by the exact number of hardpoints (and the -733C not having a Lower Arm Actuator).

The HGN-733P would necessarily have a minimum of one (1) energy hardpoint in the Right Arm, a minimum of two (2) energy hardpoints in the Right Torso, a minimum of one (1) missile hardpoint in the Left Torso, and a minimum of one (1) missile hardpoint in the Left Arm.

Going by the loadout on Heavy Metal (as listed on MWOWiki), it seems that the HGNs could have approximately seven (7) hardpoints apiece (up from the minimum of five (5) needed for each variant's canonical loadout).

[OnLashoc]

YaY my favorite mech all time....

Released softer than a catchers mit. Bought it played 5 games with it, sold it. Thanks, really wasted 4 mil cbills on that.

[Escef]

Strum Wealh, on 16 April 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

Actually, they are - see pages 188-189 of Strategic Operations.

Not exactly. You can still throw whatever you want in, it just becomes more difficult. The impossible to change hard point is an invention of PC games.

[Tie Ma]

Escef, on 16 April 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Not exactly. You can still throw whatever you want in, it just becomes more difficult. The impossible to change hard point is an invention of PC games.

if it wasn't for hard points. boating would be a even bigger issue.

Edited by Tie Ma, 16 April 2013 - 04:20 PM.

[Escef]

Tie Ma, on 16 April 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

if it wasn't for hard points. boating would be a even bigger issue.

I consider boating a non-issue.

[General Taskeen]

Escef, on 16 April 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Not exactly. You can still throw whatever you want in, it just becomes more difficult. The impossible to change hard point is an invention of PC games.

Escef is right actually.

With the missile fix in May, I'll be using every Highlander in stock config.

[Strum Wealh]

Tie Ma, on 16 April 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

if it wasn't for hard points. boating would be a even bigger issue.

Escef, on 16 April 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

I consider boating a non-issue.

Some boating isn't too much of an issue.

However, ridiculous boating (20 Small Lasers on a Medium 'Mech) and "Amorphous Gunbag Syndrome" (e.g. all Atlases outfitted to mimic Annihilators, and every Light 'Mech outfitted with ECM and quad SSRM-2 launchers) are arguably far worse than the restrictions imposed by the hardpoint system...

[0I0]

Lukoi, on 16 April 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

Jumpjets, there's your versatility.

Agreed

Also, so far I'm loving what I can do with the 33c(averaging 450-550 dmg) and 33. I've already seen some neat builds with the 33p.

As far as not having enough hard points? Meh, there good as is, I like the choices I have based on what variant's I've ran so far.

Edited by Oloccorb, 16 April 2013 - 04:34 PM.

[armyof1]

Are you complaining about the Highlanders? Well get prepared to get jettisoned, like the thread in my sig.

[Belorion]

Escef, on 16 April 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

I consider boating a non-issue.

I second that motion.

armyof1, on 16 April 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Are you complaining about the Highlanders? Well get prepared to get jettisoned, like the thread in my sig.

You are ridiculous.