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[Zatharus Mathew deTora]

In before advice to clean my HS, fans, etc, I have. Twice. I've disassembled things in order to gain access to what I needed to get to. It's still a toaster after one match.
Previously, this winter, I had to mount an oversize fan and neck it down to blow right on the CPU in order to stop shutting down mid-game due to the motherboard's heat buildup safety switch.

This patch, I noticed last night, has been running hotter than usual.

Perhaps it's a heat issue on my own end, what with my bedroom being on the sunward side in the mornings, as starting my system has me sitting at around 42c--about average, really--and even sitting the machine under the A/C vent has me running around 65+ after match, and it takes a while to cool off enough to go again.

With this said, I may not be able to play regularly until I get a water cooler component.

[ElLocoMarko]

It sounds like your PC in general is having problems.
Did you or a family member overclock the PC?
Did you take the heat sink off the CPU to look at it? (the thermal gel is a one-shot deal, no resuse. You have to apply it as new every time you break the seal)
Was the computer built professionally or by a home-builder (once again - thermal gel...)

I don't really follow threads and have only done a CPU install once (and a success) so I can't promise I'll notice replies... But I learned everything I needed from the Intel website though I suppose some of the third party vendors like thermaltake might have info as well.

Perhaps start here: http://www.intel.com...b/CS-030329.htm

Edited by ElLocoMarko, 17 April 2013 - 08:43 AM.

[Tarl Cabot]

(42* C? yikes 107* F for indoor temperature? Is it dry or humid?) Edited Completely misread that paragraph, you are sitting around..

43* C is about right if this is related to the system temperature. My laptop runs around 43* to 45*C idle but desktop runs cooler.

With the A/C = 65*C during/right after a game, that is about where it should be under load. If it is shutting down during a match, post system specs for a review.

Part of the trick though will be ensure there is some decent airflow around the computer itself so that the excess heat is being pulled away, not allowing it to build up and letting the fans pull that heat back into the system.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 17 April 2013 - 08:54 AM.

[Fooooo]

Have you reseated / redone the thermal paste at all ?

Imo when you clean your heatsinks / fans (depending how long you leave it) you should redo the thermal paste also. Not everyone likes doing it thoand if not done right, can cause more heat issues than you had before.


You said it takes a while to cool off after hitting 65C ? It should start dropping temp as soon as you remove the load from it. (when you stop playing a game etc) It should also get slower to cool as it gets closer to its normal no load temp. (The 45C you noted)

If its not dropping almost immediately after removing load (65C dropping to 55-60C within a few seconds) then I would most definitely redo the thermal paste to be sure, as that is usually one of the causes of a slow temp drop.

At least from my experience........


That or drop some money on a watercooler Mine was cheap as ($70aus) and works brilliantly. All sealed so you dont have to redo the coolant etc etc. Temps generally never go above 30C if I turn the pump/fan on high.

Edited by Fooooo, 17 April 2013 - 09:05 AM.

[Zatharus Mathew deTora]

Re-pasted carefully, in an ad-hoc clean room. This was this morning's task. Right now, the idle temp is around 48c, with an ambient air temperature of roughly 24c.

[Nihtgenga]

Can you post system specs for CPU, setting and cooling provisions? 24°C is hell of a delta on IDLE, where your CPU should be in energy saving modes mostly. With an average cooler and system venting, 24°C delta would allow something around 100W to be dissipated.

Seems the patch is putting a little more stress to the CPU, but it's enough to force your system into shutdown, as your cooling is barely sufficient.

[Zatharus Mathew deTora]

Well, I admit that it's not set to powersaver mode. Anyway, here goes;

CPU; FX-4170 w/ stock fan, HS.
GPU; ATI Radeon 7970
PSU; 900w
Case Fans; 3 exhaust. One large custom intake directed over CPU, ducted over said fan in a manner consistent with the direction of both fans.

[Robdillard]

They listed this in the known issues.

"Integrated GPU is used rather than Graphic Card GPU when running on a laptop"

this may be happening with your desktop. Somehow. maybe using your onboard graphics that would really hike the temp.

[Zatharus Mathew deTora]

Robdillard, on 17 April 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

They listed this in the known issues.

"Integrated GPU is used rather than Graphic Card GPU when running on a laptop"

this may be happening with your desktop. Somehow. maybe using your onboard graphics that would really hike the temp.

lolwat onboard graphics?

[Robdillard]

Zatharus Mathew deTora, on 17 April 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

lolwat onboard graphics?

My motherboard has an onboard graphics card, I use a gtx680. it is possible some glitch accorded where it is pushing the onboard he could have 2 outputs connected to the same monitor,got switched and been running on the onboard.

Reaching, I know, but possible. Something like bad thermal paste is unlikely to coincide with the release of a patch.

[Krzysztof z Bagien]

Install true DHS, not this poordubs we have now.

Jokes aside, I had this problem, but is stopped 4 or 5 patches ago. Before that I had to remove my PC's cover, otherwise I was getting overheat warnings after 5 minutes of running MWO.

[nabechewan]

Zatharus Mathew deTora, on 17 April 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

and even sitting the machine under the A/C vent has me running around 65+ after match, and it takes a while to cool off enough to go again

65C under load is not something to be terribly concerned with. Yeah, it's hot for a CPU, but normal under heavy load. Things don't generally become excessive until you start breaking 70C, and most BIOS settings by default don't kick in heat protect shutdown until 80+.

Robdillard, on 17 April 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

My motherboard has an onboard graphics card, I use a gtx680. it is possible some glitch accorded where it is pushing the onboard he could have 2 outputs connected to the same monitor,got switched and been running on the onboard.

Reaching, I know, but possible. Something like bad thermal paste is unlikely to coincide with the release of a patch.

If he switched to onboard, he'd probably notice the game turning into a slideshow all of a sudden.

Edited by nabechewan, 17 April 2013 - 03:12 PM.

[nabechewan]

Assuming Zatharus didn't make any system voltage changes, 42C is high for just idling. The usual culprit with this sort of thing is an improperly seated heatsink. AMD has a tendency to make very stubborn heatsinks. They can be exceptionally hard to bolt down, and sometimes feel fully seated even when they aren't. I had a nightmare of a time with a standard AMD package in a micro-atx case years ago. Double check that it is very firmly locked in place before doing anything else.

Edited by nabechewan, 17 April 2013 - 03:20 PM.

[Graver]

If u have a desktop, try this one http://hardzone.es/c...er-hyper-612s/.
I tested it over AMD and Intel cpu. the range of temp is about [27º ... 40º].


if u have a labtop, try to change the thermal grase in cpu and gpu, revoltec thermal grase nano 6gms.

[nabechewan]

Graver, on 17 April 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

If u have a desktop, try this one http://hardzone.es/c...er-hyper-612s/.
I tested it over AMD and Intel cpu. the range of temp is about [27º ... 40º].


if u have a labtop, try to change the thermal grase in cpu and gpu, revoltec thermal grase nano 6gms.

If he's running on stock settings, he shouldn't need aftermarket kit. Also, changing thermal compound in a laptop is a pretty hair-raising procedure, and most of the metallic compounds on the market will damage laptop components.

Edited by nabechewan, 17 April 2013 - 04:06 PM.

[Graver]

nabechewan, on 17 April 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

If he's running on stock settings, he shouldn't need aftermarket kit. Also, changing thermal compound in a laptop is a pretty hair-raising procedure, and most of the metallic compounds on the market will damage laptop components.

I live in Seville. i need that in August with stock settings.

[evlkenevl]

I'm usually not all that comfortable running a stock hs and fan on an Intel chip, let alone a hot AMD. I bought a $19 budget heatpipe cooler that is leaps and bounds over stock and has lasted years. Might consider upgrading now that summer is coming.

Edited by evlkenevl, 17 April 2013 - 04:17 PM.

[nabechewan]

I get kinda antsy with temps too, but the stock fans that come from both AMD and Intel, while rather mediocre, are perfectly acceptable at stock settings. Properly installed, it's almost impossible to inflict heat damage on your CPU. Heck, even improperly installed it isn't all that easy. If playing PC games were enough to damage their chips with stock coolers, there'd be a whole lot of angry gamers gunning for AMD/Intel.

[Nihtgenga]

Zatharus Mathew deTora, on 17 April 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

Well, I admit that it's not set to powersaver mode. Anyway, here goes;

CPU; FX-4170 w/ stock fan, HS.
GPU; ATI Radeon 7970
PSU; 900w
Case Fans; 3 exhaust. One large custom intake directed over CPU, ducted over said fan in a manner consistent with the direction of both fans.

My best guess: Your 7970 is not the HIS one with Direct Heat Exhaust cooler? Then there might be the issue, that the waste heat of the 7970 gets pulled over the CPU area by the exhaust fans, which makes life not easier for the tiny little stock cooler.

You probably do NOT need too much in cooling power, only a decent third-party heatsink (and maybe an additional front intake fan, which lowers the resistance that the exhaust ones have to work against. Even big Top-Blower type HS like Scythe Grand Kama Cross, Kabuto-II, BeQuiet Shadow Rock or Thermatake BigTyp, are not too expensive, and should be a big relief for your Bulldozer and its 100 Watts.

/edit: If you need/want assistance, feel free to contact me via the messenger, as it is not really patch issue.

Edited by Nihtgenga, 18 April 2013 - 12:04 PM.