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[Boomzzilla]

The combined result of the new long range maps and missile nerf has killed any fun in the game for me, every game except the odd one on frozen city or river city ends the same.
Damaged by ER PPC
Damaged by Guass cannon
Damaged by ER large laser
Damaged by PPC
Damaged by UAC/5
Etc.
Brawlers are pretty much useless now, same with support classes.Luanching in a brawler these days when at least 50% of the map rotation is long range is like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

[LordBraxton]

If they are using ERs they are doing it wrong

Ask PGI to un-nerf SRMs for all of us plz

Also the UAC5 is a brawling\dps weapon not a sniping weapon.

I agree though, all that is viable in my mechbay are my snipers
Luckily I have stalks\phracts\pults\highlanders mastered now

PS I think I have spent like 5mil cbills on PPCs in the past few weeks

Edited by LordBraxton, 17 April 2013 - 03:59 PM.

[Davers]

I have no problem closing and engaging snipers/poptarts in my Atlas-D. Maybe you just need to adjust your tactics? This can be tough in Pug matches though.

[Syllogy]

All weapons except for Flamers and Machineguns will be removed in tomorrows patch for indefinite tuning.

That is all...

[Nauht]

Sorry you guys can't aim and shoot beyond 100m.
Sorry you haven't learnt how to use the numerous natural barriers that the map provides to think and maneuver your way to an enemy.
Or to employ hit and run tactics as per real life armoured vehicle tactics.

Yeah the game should be about rushing and face hugging and alpha strike with 6xsrm6s as fast as the cool down allows.

[Davers]

ForestGnome, on 17 April 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

I have to agree with OP. While sniping weapons are supposed to be an issue, having teams with 4 or more stalkers running 4-6ER-PPC's every round is getting really old. Throw in the fact the just about the only other mechs you see are Highlanders, and that jumping cataphract, and suddenly you have Campwarrior Online.

When teams were all brawlers the snipers and missile boats complained. When teams were all LRM boats, brawlers complained. When teams were all snipers LRM boats and brawlers complained.

So to make the most amount of people happy we need to bring back LRM boats.

[Nauht]

ForestGnome, on 17 April 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

I have to agree with OP. While sniping weapons are supposed to be an issue, having teams with 4 or more stalkers running 4-6ER-PPC's every round is getting really old. Throw in the fact the just about the only other mechs you see are Highlanders, and that jumping cataphract, and suddenly you have Campwarrior Online.

I sincerely hope for and give an evil chuckle when I see ppc boats. They are by far the easiet mechs to kill bar none. Once you get in close most usually can't shoot for crap at close range. Nearly all panic and cause a heat shutdown. One shutdown in a ppc boat means they can't dissipate heat fast enough to fire quickly again, ie they're literally sitting ducks.

I'm far more cautious of a balanced mech, one that can hit me with a couple of long range weapons but has the short/med punch when needed.

[LordBraxton]

Nauht, on 17 April 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Sorry you guys can't aim and shoot beyond 100m.
Sorry you haven't learnt how to use the numerous natural barriers that the map provides to think and maneuver your way to an enemy.
Or to employ hit and run tactics as per real life armoured vehicle tactics.

Yeah the game should be about rushing and face hugging and alpha strike with 6xsrm6s as fast as the cool down allows.

^^^^^ 6ppc stalker

Nauht, on 17 April 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I sincerely hope for and give an evil chuckle when I see ppc boats. They are by far the easiet mechs to kill bar none. Once you get in close most usually can't shoot for crap at close range. Nearly all panic and cause a heat shutdown. One shutdown in a ppc boat means they can't dissipate heat fast enough to fire quickly again, ie they're literally sitting ducks.

I'm far more cautious of a balanced mech, one that can hit me with a couple of long range weapons but has the short/med punch when needed.

everyone talks about MWO like every battle is 1v1

A ppc boat on its own isnt scary

4 ppc boats covered tightly by their 4 mates? unbreachable defense

[Noobzorz]

I've been having reasonable results with a 360 engine Atlas-RS. Maybe my ELO isn't very high (or maybe it is? I have literally no idea), but provided I can close (never certain) I can do some respectable damage.


edit: I find it hard to argue with LordBraxtons comment though. The times I have dropped against heavy PPC/gauss teams, it has gone very poorly for me.

Edited by Noobzorz, 17 April 2013 - 04:20 PM.

[Jman5]

Stop playing their game. These guys want you to uselessly charge straight at them, or hide in a trench all game praying for them to get in range. Do you think they are going to move? You're 800 meters away and they have you right where they want you: Cowering like a rat in a hole.

You need to walk around the side and start capping. Watch as they attempt to waddle back to base crying because they have to fight you in brawl range.

Why are so many players refusing to hard counter these ridiculous builds?

Base capture these fools and you will either get your brawl, or straight up win. Sitting in the trench crying about the meta game wont help you. Get your own PPCs, learn to base capture, or just keep losing. The choice is yours.

And next time some PPC sniper tries to browbeat you into getting off the cap zone, give him the finger.

[Nauht]

LordBraxton, on 17 April 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

^^^^^ 6ppc stalker



everyone talks about MWO like every battle is 1v1

A ppc boat on its own isnt scary

4 ppc boats covered tightly by their 4 mates? unbreachable defense

If the map was flat and didn't have any hills, buildings, tunnels, or any other type of obstacles to block los then yeah.

You're right it isn't 1v1 so if I can get a full lance to concentrate on just me then that leaves the rest of my team to engage. Sure as **** I'm not gonna try and engage my intended target if I see a whole lance trying to peg me, I'd be running and weaving trying to look like an easy target while making it hard for them to hit.

I'd happily play the decoy if it ties up 4 mechs. And I can do that cos, you know, I can see how the battles going and ADAPT to it as well as knowing my terrain.

[Davers]

Jman5, on 17 April 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Stop playing their game. These guys want you to uselessly charge straight at them, or hide in a trench all game praying for them to get in range. Do you think they are going to move? You're 800 meters away and they have you right where they want you: Cowering like a rat in a hole.

You need to walk around the side and start capping. Watch as they attempt to waddle back to base crying because they have to fight you in brawl range.

Why are so many players refusing to hard counter these ridiculous builds?

Base capture these fools and you will either get your brawl, or straight up win. Sitting in the trench crying about the meta game wont help you. Get your own PPCs, learn to base capture, or just keep losing. The choice is yours.

And next time some PPC sniper tries to browbeat you into getting off the cap zone, give him the finger.

Can we combine all the 'There is no way to defeat 4 snipers' threads with 'Let's remove all bases/caps and force people to fight in TDM' threads?

[TruePoindexter]

Jman5, on 17 April 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Stop playing their game. These guys want you to uselessly charge straight at them, or hide in a trench all game praying for them to get in range. Do you think they are going to move? You're 800 meters away and they have you right where they want you: Cowering like a rat in a hole.

You need to walk around the side and start capping. Watch as they attempt to waddle back to base crying because they have to fight you in brawl range.

Why are so many players refusing to hard counter these ridiculous builds?

Base capture these fools and you will either get your brawl, or straight up win. Sitting in the trench crying about the meta game wont help you. Get your own PPCs, learn to base capture, or just keep losing. The choice is yours.

And next time some PPC sniper tries to browbeat you into getting off the cap zone, give him the finger.

^^ This. Please at least attempt a counter before complaining.

[IceCase88]

I am tired of all the blasphemy! The only thing pop tarts may ruin is your cholesterol and waist line if they are not already ruined. Leave pop tarts alone!

Are there forum bots that keep posting these redundant threads? You are irritating the K-Town minoon. You have been warned.

[jay35]

This thread is a lie. They are not ruining the game. It is just the Highlander launch combined with OMG A NEW TACTIC I HAVE TO LEARN TO COUNTER AND CAN'T JUST IGNORE. Yeah.

[Biglead]

6 months ago these forums were flooded by the tears of people who argued that brawling ruined the game. The only thing that has remained constant since Closed Beta is all the bytching and complaining. I swear PGI should hold a tournament with the prizes being Tampons and Tissues.

[Ricama]

Nauht, on 17 April 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Sorry you guys can't aim and shoot beyond 100m.
Sorry you haven't learnt how to use the numerous natural barriers that the map provides to think and maneuver your way to an enemy.
Or to employ hit and run tactics as per real life armoured vehicle tactics.

Yeah the game should be about rushing and face hugging and alpha strike with 6xsrm6s as fast as the cool down allows.

Why? They got rid of LRM's by QQing, why can't they get rid of sniper weapons by QQing too? Go with what works!

[Cferre]

Nauht, on 17 April 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Sorry you guys can't aim and shoot beyond 100m.
Sorry you haven't learnt how to use the numerous natural barriers that the map provides to think and maneuver your way to an enemy.
Or to employ hit and run tactics as per real life armoured vehicle tactics.

Yeah the game should be about rushing and face hugging and alpha strike with 6xsrm6s as fast as the cool down allows.

I'm missing the dislike button.

Btw. I mostly encounter this when facing premades in my pug. Which makes it even worse.
When vs pugging poptarts this not even that annoying because they then lack the coordination
to be effective.

So don't ignore the other half of the story.

Edited by Cferre, 17 April 2013 - 05:09 PM.

[Nauht]

Cferre, on 17 April 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

I'm missing the dislike button.

Btw. I mostly encounter this when facing premades in my pug. Which makes it even worse.
When vs pugging poptarts this not even that annoying because they then lack the coordination
to be effective.

So don't ignore the other half of the story.

The issue here ain't even boating. I bet your pug would lose to a premade regardless of what they fielded.

And lol about those saying its not 1v1 and yet counter my argument as if I was solo facing a whole team of ppc boats. Read the answer I gave above.

Seriously if you can't use the terrain as cover and adapt to your situation tactically then there's nothing to do except come whine on the forums. It sure is easier.