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[The Lonegopher]

Has it happened yet today, anyone notice? Devs?

[Acid Phase]

Counting on it happening today although the key was to seperate pugs and premades with this new feature. Could've possibly ended steamrolls in my opinion.

[The Lonegopher]

In Command Console they said we wouldn't see it happen, and that it was tentative. Sounds legit........

[Roadbeer]

Acid Phase, on 18 April 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

Counting on it happening today although the key was to seperate pugs and premades with this new feature. Could've possibly ended steamrolls in my opinion.

Completely untrue. I've been in more than a few random drops where there was no obvious premade, and it was still 8-0. It's going to happen.
On the other end, having been in more premades than solo drops, I can count more than a few drops where there was no obvious premade on the other team, and we still lost despite our best efforts. When this happens, all that can be said is "Well, we got a bad draw of PUGs on that one".

[spaceghost2099]

The Lonegopher, on 18 April 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

In Command Console they said we wouldn't see it happen, and that it was tentative. Sounds legit........

In this most recent patch, didn't they say they made it so they can modify stuff like this without having to put out a patch?

[Zerberus]

If it`s been implemented it was within the last hour, it`s still early in the morning in Canada. It has however been announced for today.

[Appogee]

Can weight matching and ELO be implemented concurrently?

I doubt there are enough players in each skill level and chassis weight class at any given time to achieve that.

If, as I suspect, they can't both be implemented concurrently, then which takes precedence?

[Mechteric]

Appogee, on 18 April 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:

Can weight matching and ELO be implemented concurrently?

I doubt there are enough players in each skill level and chassis weight class at any given time to achieve that.

If, as I suspect, they can't both be implemented concurrently, then which takes precedence?

incorrect

AND (&&) over OR (||)

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 18 April 2013 - 09:25 AM.

[Tennex]

thought it was friday

[Kraven Kor]

Roadbeer, on 18 April 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Completely untrue. I've been in more than a few random drops where there was no obvious premade, and it was still 8-0. It's going to happen.
On the other end, having been in more premades than solo drops, I can count more than a few drops where there was no obvious premade on the other team, and we still lost despite our best efforts. When this happens, all that can be said is "Well, we got a bad draw of PUGs on that one".

Unpossible.

If I lose, someone HAS to be cheating or gaming the system. Period.

[Innocent]

Roadbeer, on 18 April 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Completely untrue. I've been in more than a few random drops where there was no obvious premade, and it was still 8-0. It's going to happen.
On the other end, having been in more premades than solo drops, I can count more than a few drops where there was no obvious premade on the other team, and we still lost despite our best efforts. When this happens, all that can be said is "Well, we got a bad draw of PUGs on that one".

That is arrogant. Why is it the pugs that failed? It could be that you were just outplayed.

[Joseph Mallan]

Innocent, on 18 April 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

That is arrogant. Why is it the pugs that failed? It could be that you were just outplayed.

Normally when playing along side 4 PUGs... They die first, then we got over run. Sorry, not all PUGs are created equal.

[armyof1]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 April 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

Normally when playing along side 4 PUGs... They die first, then we got over run. Sorry, not all PUGs are created equal.

And all 4-man are equally great in skill right?

[Joseph Mallan]

armyof1, on 18 April 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

And all 4-man are equally great in skill right?

Nope. But we do have an equal advantage that is instant communication. Whether we use it properly or not is a different story.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 18 April 2013 - 10:41 AM.

[armyof1]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 April 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

Nope. But we do have an equal advantage that is instant communication. Whether we use it properly or not is a different story.

Ain't that the truth, and that's why it is kinda arrogant to assume it's all the fault of the pugs in your team because you don't win. I've seen a fair share of 4-mans just march over the ridge in unison on frozen city, thinking they'd just clean up by themselves while some slow assaults in our team haven't even caught up yet. Not surprisingly they get focused on from all directions and melted, costing our team the match. 4-mans are truly not created equal either.

[saintchuck]

Joseph Mallan, on 18 April 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

Nope. But we do have an equal advantage that is instant communication. Whether we use it properly or not is a different story.

Wait, is Comms an advantage today or not? It changes so much, I lose track.

[Barnaby Jones]

Appogee, on 18 April 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:

Can weight matching and ELO be implemented concurrently?

I doubt there are enough players in each skill level and chassis weight class at any given time to achieve that.

If, as I suspect, they can't both be implemented concurrently, then which takes precedence?

They can be implemented together.

If they put Weight matching within say +-50 tons for the team, then increase the variance in elo until they achieve a full drop, with an outer limit on the ELO that moves the weight balance out ( say +-100 tons), and repeat the elo variance till full drop... rinse repeat all wth outer limits on the variances, and a time limit on the overall process.



set Weight (of team): +-50T
set ELO target : X , expanding in 50 point increments in both directions until the total variance is > (maximum elo differential)

reset weight to +- 100t
set ELO target : X , expanding in 50 point increments in both directions until the total variance is > (maximum elo differential)

set a maximum weight differential, set a maximum elo differential, and set a maximum length of time to process.

Edited by Barnaby Jones, 18 April 2013 - 10:58 AM.

[Hammerfinn]

Innocent, on 18 April 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

That is arrogant. Why is it the pugs that failed? It could be that you were just outplayed.

I read that as, "We got a bad draw because the enemy PUGs were good," not arrogance. But maybe that's just me.

[MadPanda]

PGI is working hard to make this happen as we speak.

[Appogee]

Barnaby Jones, on 18 April 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

They can be implemented together.

What you went on to describe though is in effect partly implementing weight and partly implementing ELO concurrently. That is, you are compromising on weight matching and on LEO-matching in order to have a bit of both.

That's workable, but it's not what I meant as ''implementing both concurrently''.

Your suggestion would be a good way of compromising between the two approaches.