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[Willie Sauerland]

Victor Morson, on 17 April 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

Then why continue to post like a moron?

Because I like it.

That you are bigoted

against other people

who don't think

like you do

is not my problem

Feel free

to read my sig

and fix it yourself

I wouldn't want you

to spread your hatred

to other fine

upstanding

forum posters.

[BeezleBug]

BulletChief, on 17 April 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

yeah... the ppcs definately need some treatment. and yes, i'm using them excessively myself atm because the game is all about sniping now... almost as broken as lrms before...

right the game is a sniper game, nothing more. Only PPC, Gaus and LL builds. Boats all over the game.
Alpine is the worst map ever 4 this, cool and open field. This game is broken. PPC are so easy to use, fast as hell easy to aim and heat is not a big problem anymore.
There are so many weapons in this game and look around the battlefield, PPC PPC PPC. Its not funny anymore.
This game was much better in closed beta, much more weapons on the battlefield and much more tactics, now its a sniper party, nothing more. yeahh and ppc´s do splash dmg^^ its a nooby weapon and its all over the battlefield.
i play this game since august last year, and @ the moment it´s a piece of .... this is not battletech. If the clan weapons come this game is not playable anymore.4 ERCLANPPC lol everything falls apart.
There is a reason why so much people leave this game.
PGI give us Lobby´s, this matchmaking is a joke, i mean Lobbys are so basic i dont understand why still not doing this.
This game could be so good, but ok i get it u dont care

Edited by BeezleBug, 17 April 2013 - 04:12 PM.

[Deathlike]

Let me get this straight.. people are raging over the surge of Highlanders?

Let's see what happened before today:
Dual AC20 Jagerwhines
Buckets everywhere
Creepy spiders (with the sudden capacity to wield 6MGs... SO OP!!!!)
MissileWarrior
RIP MissileWarrior

Yea... that sounds about right.

Edited by Deathlike, 17 April 2013 - 04:10 PM.

[WhupAzz]

[Mystere]

Victor Morson, on 17 April 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Once again we find ourselves in this cycle of calling for nerfs, when we should be calling for buffs to improve the value of undervalued weapons.

Let me see ...

Player is a mechwarrior God. PPC kills player. Gods are not supposed to get killed. Therefore, PPCs are OP and need to be nerfed.

Did I get it right?

Edited by Mystere, 17 April 2013 - 04:23 PM.

[Urdnot Mau]

hashinshin, on 17 April 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

PPCs as I believe were originally envisioned as a burst/heat dump weapon. They have ludicrously high DPS, and a very fast refire rate. They simply need their refire rate reduced back down to 3.75 instead of 3.0. And even at 3.75 they'd STILL do more DPS than the LPL, so that should be a tell.

Okay, since apparently the forums are just as stupid as every other forum online, lets just quick show some stats.

There are 3 big energy weapons.

Large Laser. 5 tons. 2.12 DPS. 1.65 HPS. 3.25 recycle (and time the laser is active.)
Large Pulse Laser: 7 tons. 2.5 DPS. 1.83 HPS. 3.25 recycle (and time the laser is active.)

See how these are similar?

Now lets look at the PPC.

Particle Projectile Cannon. 7 tons. 3.33 DPS, 2.67 HPS. 3.0 recycle.
Da fuq?

Now lets drop the PPC to 3.75 refire rate and see how its stats compare.

Fixed PPC: 7 tons. 2.666 DPS. 2.13 HPS. 3.75 recycle
See how it STILL maintains a higher DPS and HPS than the other energy weapons even after a sizable nerf? That's a problem.

The PPC as it is now i both a sniping weapon, and a heat dump weapon. These do not work well together.

In fact, lets look at it this way: If given the option to fire all your ammo, or as much ammo as you wanted instantly, would you? Hell yes you would. You'd get a kill on an opposing mech before that could fight back. If you had the choice to refire your large laser every second would you? Hell yes you would, you'd obliterate anything that stood in your way with insanity burst. That's the PPC right now.

You call us stupid and then post here? Seriusly?!
anyways...


AC/ 10 / Damage 10 / Cooldown 2.5 seconds
PPC / Damage 10 / Cooldown 3 seconds

[operator0]

Victor Morson, on 17 April 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

Then why continue to post like a mentally damaged person?

I mean at this point you might as well be rolling around on the isle screaming "LOOOOK AT MMEEEEEE" like a girl on that Sweet 16 show.

Just put him on your ignore list. It's fairly easy.

1. Go to your profile at the top right hand corner of the screen
2. Go to forum profile just below and to the left of where you just clicked.
3.Go to edit profile just below the search bar.
4. Go to ignore preferences on the left.
5. Add Willie Sauerland in the text box and check all the boxes to the right of that.
6. Enjoy a Willie Sauerland free browsing experience.


Oh, and stop quoting him, the quotes do show up for me.

[BulletChief]

Urdnot Mau, on 17 April 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

You call us stupid and then post here? Seriusly?!
anyways...


AC/ 10 / Damage 10 / Cooldown 2.5 seconds
PPC / Damage 10 / Cooldown 3 seconds

AC10 + 3tons ammo + case / 15.5tons / 11 slots
PPC / 10 tons / 3 slots


heat is basically unimportant since you one-shot or two-shot most stuff anyway... it's all about the burst damage and that's where the ppcs are broken. who cares if you overheat... there are 7 other ppc/gauss-snipers standing next to you to keep it up... good luck getting in brawling-range.

Edited by BulletChief, 17 April 2013 - 05:29 PM.

[Willie Sauerland]

operator0, on 17 April 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

Just put him on your ignore list. It's fairly easy.

1. Go to your profile at the top right hand corner of the screen
2. Go to forum profile just below and to the left of where you just clicked.
3.Go to edit profile just below the search bar.
4. Go to ignore preferences on the left.
5. Add Willie Sauerland in the text box and check all the boxes to the right of that.
6. Enjoy a Willie Sauerland free browsing experience.


Oh, and stop quoting him, the quotes do show up for me.

I have it in my sig

for a reason people!

It is interesting

how many people rage

over things they have

no control.

I wrote this

-->THREAD<--

for a reason.

Can we now get back

to the topic at hand

please?

[Victor Morson]

Willie Sauerland, on 17 April 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Because I like it. That you are bigoted against other people who don't think like you do is not my problem.

Feel free to read my sig and fix it yourself I wouldn't want you to spread your hatred to other fine upstanding forum posters.

We've found him. The inventor of the TimeCube.

EDIT: Also enjoy my edited-for-normalcy quote.

Edited by Victor Morson, 17 April 2013 - 05:39 PM.

[Willie Sauerland]

Victor Morson, on 17 April 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

We've found him. The inventor of the TimeCube.

As interesting

as this might be,

could we get back

to discussing

how the recycle rate

of the PPC will

somehow magically

decrease its DPS?

Otherwise,

people might

mistake you

for being

a troll.

Thanks.

Edit: Added smilie.

Edited by Willie Sauerland, 17 April 2013 - 05:42 PM.

[Urdnot Mau]

BulletChief, on 17 April 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

AC10 + 3tons ammo + case / 15.5tons / 11 slots
PPC / 10 tons / 3 slots


heat is basically unimportant since you one-shot or two-shot most stuff anyway... it's all about the burst damage and that's where the ppcs are broken. who cares if you overheat... there are 7 other ppc/gauss-snipers standing next to you to keep it up... good luck getting in brawling-range.

Ok.... so, now you made it clear what's the real problem.

It's not the PPC DPS. Its the comparison between PPC and other weapon's general stats.
It's easier to load/boat PPC because they don't compromise too much ones build. The only thing affected severly is the Heat Efficiency.

[Leiska]

Willie Sauerland, on 17 April 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

Don't like how I post? Go to Profile > Forum Profile > Edit My Profie > Ignore Preferences.
TeamSpeak Servers for MWO

Thank you so much! I'm not sure why a forum poster would actively try to get on as many ignore lists as possible, but at least there is a way for us to avoid this madness.

[Lukoi Banacek]

OP, we should wait to see what Missiles look like once they are "fixed" and see how weapons work overall, before we tweak more crap not knowing what PGI intends for the game thus far.

[Owlfeathers]

hashinshin, on 17 April 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Because I can fit 2 PPCs on my mech for the same weight as an AC10 + 2 tons of ammo.

Starts to make a little more sense now, doesn't it? If you put 2 AC10s on your mech with 4 tons of ammo I could fit 4 PPCs on my mech. See now why people are boating PPCs and not using ballistics?

Not to mention that the AC10 has less range, the ammo can kill you, has almost 1/2 the projectile speed, and makes up for it with 0.666 more DPS than the PPC.

You forget that in order to fire two PPCs continuously, you need several tons of heatsinks as well.

[Davers]

My whole reason for bringing up the AC/10 was because hashinshin said because of the PPC's Damage and RoF it should be nerfed. My point was that it wasn't the PPC he didn't like. It was BOATING PPCs that he didn't like. I realize the AC/10 is really not comparable to the PPC simply due to projectile speed, which is the biggest deciding factor whether a shot will hit or not.

[Mahnmut]

Not much would be needed to rebalance PPC's. They just need to tweak the heat and projectile speed values (very slightly) and keep adjusting them until they feel right.


However it's a waste of time to try and re-balance weapons right now. Wait for HSR to be fully implemented and the missile fixes first. Then they should concentrate on buffing underused weapons first and then look at so called OP ones afterwards.

[Sephlock]

[TOGSolid]

Hooray, another thread full of people that couldn't even handling balancing a ruler on their finger, let alone a video game!

The problem isn't the PPCs, it's the pinpoint aiming. It always has been the real problem, and always will be the real problem. Convergence has never mattered worth a damn and needs to be made into a real mechanic to contend with.

[TehSBGX]

Mahnmut, on 17 April 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

Not much would be needed to rebalance PPC's. They just need to tweak the heat and projectile speed values (very slightly) and keep adjusting them until they feel right.


However it's a waste of time to try and re-balance weapons right now. Wait for HSR to be fully implemented and the missile fixes first. Then they should concentrate on buffing underused weapons first and then look at so called OP ones afterwards.

QTF