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[NRP]

Banky, on 19 April 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

Running the same weapons on my 733C - and it's been more of an adjustment for me than I thought... Though its working better for me now as I unlock more and more pilot skills. The 733 though? All I can say is wow. Absolutely love this mech. Been running a gauss, 2 ML, 4 SRM6 build on mine and its been nothing less than amazing. Even with the missile nerfs, the raw firepower on this thing is simply brutal. It's an easy-mode button for 500 damage rounds.

When I elite the 733C, I'm gonna sell it and get a 733. Your build looks badass. The gauss rifle just seems like a natural fit for the Highlander, and it gives you some punch at range on your way to the brawl.

[Tremendous Upside]

It gives you a long range punch nearly as good as a pair of LLs - but more importantly, it guarantees that you can keep firing regularly non-stop, regardless how hot you get. At least till your arm gets shot off... Your LR and SR weapon groups have virtually no impact on one another. It's a pretty unique situation to have. Almost makes me want to swap the AC20 off my 733C...

[Koniving]

NRP, on 19 April 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

@Koniving
Those screenshots are simply amazing!

Thank you. Usually my shots aren't quite as good as Lordred's, but he edits his.

[J0anna]

Koniving, on 18 April 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

To Moerg.
Interesting builds. I may try some. Not a big fan of the ER PPC and Large Laser build; seems too heat heavy for my tastes.

The 733C is an amazing setup, It brawls very well. I found the jj help a lot in keeping the large lasers on target, and the arm mounted AC 20 works wonders. It's made me tweak my HM setup to put in a standard 300, because speed and quickness matters for this mech.

Also I've been using this setup for the 733p and getting some pretty good results with it:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...ac96f0f11ce6f87

I probably should put the lasers in the torso and zombie it, but on the arms they have amazing coverage. The bigger engine makes that mech very responsive. Once the SRM's get some teeth back, that should only improve it's performance, but even now it shreds anything close.

As far as the ER large lasers go, most don't like them but with the larger maps I need to be able to hit people at the 800 to 1000 range, and large lasers just can't do that. I suppose I could drop to a 300 engine and go back to ER PPC's, but the lasers are working well for me.

[Wintersdark]

Koniving, on 18 April 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

I know from the 733, the heat is ungodly out of the 1 SRM-6 for some reason. I think that the combo you have gone with is super heat heavy. It's the Atlas build for sure, but I'm certain the weight of the JJ's and not having 10 extra tons (to make 100 available) is a hindrance. Also remember you do not have the same armor as an Atlas, and can't aim your lasers by using the arms.

Yeah, when I go SRM's, I tend to run 4's, often with artemis. It's my opinion at least that SRM's right now need artemis or, even with 4's, they tend to spread too much to be effective outside of facehumping range. With Artemis, they punch tight enough to be worthwhile, even at long range (for SRM's).

6's are just too hot. I've been unable to get a build to work well with them, because to brawl effectively you need to be able to keep your DPS higher; with the head from 6's you've got to hold your fire too much.

Basically, you can't mirror Atlas builds for all the reasons you mention, which makes the 733C somewhat questionable.

[Koniving]

Wintersdark, on 20 April 2013 - 07:56 AM, said:

Basically, you can't mirror Atlas builds for all the reasons you mention, which makes the 733C somewhat questionable.

Lordred would disagree. Twin LL, twin UAC/5, triple SRMs, no JJ's, XL300 engine. He held first place for the 733C for much of last night.

[Wintersdark]

Koniving, on 19 April 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

Lordred was devastating people with his 2xUAC5 build last night. Paired with two ECM Spiders, we'd get in close and absolutely level enemies. I'll make sure he shares his build but I believe it was an XL 300, twin UAC5, two large pulses (but he changed to large lasers for ammo and to fit the SRMs) and 3 streaks (later changed to two SRM-6s in the left torso). Rest in armor, ammo, and heat sinks. No jump jets. Surprisingly no ammo in legs, "When people go for the legs they expect to get that quick kill by an ammo explosion transferring to the center torso. I'm afraid to say they will be sadly disappointed. It's in my one torso with CASE."

CASE+XL engine doesn't work; CASE prevents damaging surrounding locations with ammo explosions but does not protect the location it's in (the side torso). As such, an ammo explosion in a side torso with an XL will kill you whether or not you have CASEd it. Just wanted to point this out because a lot of people don't fully understand what CASE does.

That said, I'm very interested in the 2xUAC5 C build; but I'm still concerned that it's a build that a D-DC can do simply better(and with ECM, though that's of debatable value these days). Of course, this is par for the course in a lot of cases with smaller mechs in a weight class: Bigger ones can just do it better.

[Wintersdark]

Koniving, on 20 April 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

Lordred would disagree. Twin LL, twin UAC/5, triple SRMs, no JJ's, XL300 engine. He held first place for the 733C for much of last night.

Oh, I wasn't arguing that the build wasn't effective, but rather that a D-DC could run that build better. The only difference would be the D-DC couldn't run an XL, but has +10 tons to make up the difference if running an STD. Or, just run UAC5/AC5 with an XL, ECM and more heat sinks/ammo/armor than the HGH can manage.

[Koniving]

Finally figured out why the 733 was sucking so bad with every loadout I gave it. I went to 24,000 EXP, and never levelled up the mech trees. Now I jumped from 170 to 46 for the 733. I'm catching up, now if only I could get a decent game AND survive. It's always survive, or decent game.

[Koniving]

I am indeed saddened by the fact that no one ever noticed the Mario reference hidden in the list of Highlander features.

[Baozi]

I came. I saw a Mario reference. I liked it.

Any word on a smurfy build page for your friend's UAC build?

[Koniving]

Now that I seen your post (best to quote to get my attention somewhere), not yet but it's the same as the Atlas build. I'll see if Lordred will share it.