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[Vassago Rain]

Eboli, on 20 April 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Maybe our timezone players are not so full of it instead?

Why be so insulting Vassago? If you are an example of the attitude of higher tier players than I am glad I am not at that level and get to enjoy my games with a variety of mechs with quite a few other Founders at "my level". Sheesh...

And yes, there are poptarts about and ridging is basically normal playstyle so what are you on about then?

I'm not the example of any kind of higher tier players in the game as of maybe march, but that doesn't really change anything. The game works a certain way, and you can only avoid it by playing in the little fish pool.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Eboli, on 20 April 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Maybe our timezone players are not so full of it instead?

Why be so insulting Vassago? If you are an example of the attitude of higher tier players than I am glad I am not at that level and get to enjoy my games with a variety of mechs with quite a few other Founders at "my level". Sheesh...

And yes, there are poptarts about and ridging is basically normal playstyle so what are you on about then?

He's got a point, it's poorly worded, but it doesn't change the truth.

You're slumming it. essentially. with the ELO reset, you're playing in the "Low" elo tier where there's not as many of the high tier players that utilize the FOM builds.

It's literally that simple, it's just how the system works, if you're good,even without using FoM, you end up fighting FOM.

[Voidsinger]

Jade Kitsune, on 20 April 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

He's got a point, it's poorly worded, but it doesn't change the truth.

You're slumming it. essentially. with the ELO reset, you're playing in the "Low" elo tier where there's not as many of the high tier players that utilize the FOM builds.

It's literally that simple, it's just how the system works, if you're good,even without using FoM, you end up fighting FOM.

Actually, being in Australia too, Eboli has a point about timezones.

There is a slot from about 5pm to 11pm Australian Eastern Time, where the number of US players drops right back, the number of European players starts to rise. During this time, there are many, many less flavour of the month types. Always been that way.

Vassago was right about the adjustments to inflated ELOs though. Cause and effect relationship were wrong though.

[Taemien]

Merky Merc, on 20 April 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

Is this an implication that founders have higher elos than lone wolves? Because I would have to say I find that comical at best.

I have started to see some poptarts though, I've continued to either cap their bases or face blast them at the apex of their jump.

When I group with brandnew players, the other team and everyone on my team are Lonewolves and I end up with an obscene amount of kills (6-8), so yes I think my observation isn't too far from the truth. this isn't saying ALL lonewolves are low ELO, but the majority of Low ELO and new players are Lone Wolves.

Edited by Taemien, 20 April 2013 - 05:03 PM.

[Eboli]

Vassago Rain, on 20 April 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

I'm not the example of any kind of higher tier players in the game as of maybe march, but that doesn't really change anything. The game works a certain way, and you can only avoid it by playing in the little fish pool.

Hey Vassago Rain,

I don't want to argue with you as you are a respected player and mainly make posts that are aimed at improving MWO. And for that I do have respect for you as well.

I certainly don't think that I am slumming it at the low tier so I hope you understand that I think that was a bit of an insulting comment.

Maybe because I do play all my games as a Lone Wolf and as a 90%+ Jenner/light player my ELO has suffered but I do tend to do well and do play with/against regular forum contributors - even after the latest ELO adjustments.

I will stick to my original observation though is that I really do think that the time zone I play in tends to provide a more diversified player group.

I do know that when Clan Warfare is given a specific date I am intending on joining a group/clan and look forward to that day. Until then I will continue enjoying playing the game at whatever level I am playing at.

Cheers and see you on the battlefield - maybe
Eboli

[Fiona Marshe]

Teamed with a newish (low ELO) player last night; saw maybe 3 poptarts over 10 matches (of course the rest of the team got slaughtered charging in the open, but that's another story...)

When he logged off and I dropped solo; *Bam* 6 poptarts on the enemy team (4 of the Highlanders) and 4 on my team (3 highlanders). Still won, but it was a "not fun" game with the amount of 45pt alpha-strikes flying around.

[IIIuminaughty]

Crying bout poptarts, just like in mw3-mw4mercs...I just eat them its nothing but a delicious treat for my 6erppcs

[CheeseThief]

I noticed a massive drop in poptarts and 'sub-par' team mates when America logged off.

Asia seems to have quite happy to continue running mostly ground bound builds, although the PPC is as popular as everywhere else.

Edited by CheeseThief, 21 April 2013 - 05:45 AM.

[W i L d F i R 3]

My games lately have been pretty much 5-6 poptarts per team. I hate it, but apparently it is what it is. I normally play from 5pm to around 12pm central standard time on USA. Maybe I should start playing at another time to get rid of some of the poptarts.

[LightBringer76]

Hmmm, I've found that while the poptarting decreases during the early morning hours in the US, the amount of hacking and whining goes up dramatically. Perhaps cultural in nature, but who knows for sure. Does make a variable game, however.

[Felicitatem Parco]

There was no "Elo Reset"

Here is a link to the Matchmaking Update - http://mwomercs.com/...view=getnewpost

You'll see that Elo Rankings were merely recalculated based on your existing, previous Match Statistics because their original Elo Scoring formula had a bug in one of the operators. What they did was use your same stats and plug them back into the fixed Elo Scoring Formula and gave everyone their accurate Elo Scores that we should've been assigned by now.

The problem was the old Elo Formula was causing people to earn over-inflated Elo Ranks by killing very weak opponents, but that was fixed and everyone has the "correct" Elo Rank now, based on your past fighting stats.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 21 April 2013 - 07:37 AM.

[TheSteelRhino]

It is ridiculous to imply that only high ELO players poptart. It's also ridiculous to imply that if u get matches without everyone poptarting that u are swimming in The low end of the player pool.

Reality ppl. Pgi can tweak and adjust things on the fly for tuning things as of last patch. So put your egos's in check. Oh yeah. I consider myself a middlin' player at best. Get over yourselves. If you have to come say how good you are, then u probably arent that good.

[Jman5]

It's possible OP started playing a mech chassis he doesn't normally and has a low Elo for it. My light and Heavy Elo is much lower than my medium and Assault.

[Mawai]

Jade Kitsune, on 20 April 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

He's got a point, it's poorly worded, but it doesn't change the truth.

You're slumming it. essentially. with the ELO reset, you're playing in the "Low" elo tier where there's not as many of the high tier players that utilize the FOM builds.

It's literally that simple, it's just how the system works, if you're good,even without using FoM, you end up fighting FOM.

Lots of misinformation it seems to me on ELO.

ELO was not reset .,.. it was recalculated. They took all of your win/losses since it was implemented and fixed a bug which had caused the ELO gain to be too large when fighting weaker teams (so a group of folks that played a lot had artificially high ELO). It did not have declining returns (meaning the gain would reduce as your ELO got higher) ... as a result they ended up with a skewed bimodal distribution rather than a single peaked distribution.

The second post in the following thread describes it in case you haven't read it:

http://mwomercs.com/...ted-april-19th/

Everyone is probably running into more beginner players since the center of both distributions now lies at the same ELO value ... but if your ELO was justifiably high before this adjustment ... then it is STILL high now. Relative placement probably hasn't changed very much ... the matchmaker just has an easier time putting matches together since the ELOs are more meaningful.

BUT ... trying to claim that the in-game experience of some folks is incorrect because their ELO was reset is just misleading ... nothing was lost in the recalculation ... if they had a high ELO before then they probably have one after and are more or less in the same tier.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

Then I hope those guys with high ELO enjoying themselfes with another 7 poptarts against 8 poptarts.
In this case low/mid ELO is a bless .

Edited by JudgeDeathCZ, 21 April 2013 - 08:12 AM.

[Hedonism Robot]

The real problem the game has is not the poptarts, but the fact that there is no powerful close range weapons to punish them with. SRMs were the teeth of medium and heavy brawlers that used to kill snipers, now the sniper does as much damage as these mechs in brawling distance and can fire across the map. Balance wise you should always have 1 or 2 snipers to apply pressure at the start of a match, the issue arises due to the effectiveness of their weapons.

A small buff of bringing srms back up half of their dmg nerf to 2.0 dmg per missile would make a different meta.

[Smk]

Rhinehardt Ritter, on 21 April 2013 - 07:42 AM, said:

It is ridiculous to imply that only high ELO players poptart. It's also ridiculous to imply that if u get matches without everyone poptarting that u are swimming in The low end of the player pool.

Reality ppl. Pgi can tweak and adjust things on the fly for tuning things as of last patch. So put your egos's in check. Oh yeah. I consider myself a middlin' player at best. Get over yourselves. If you have to come say how good you are, then u probably arent that good.

The lower elos are going to be full of people that are less concerned about winning and more about just having fun. You're obviously going to see less FotM builds and poptarters. As you rise through the ranks you'll start playing against people who care more about winning and will be piloting w/e will give them the most success. Has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with logic.

[Gremlich Johns]

haven't played once since Thursday.

[jay35]

Jman5, on 21 April 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

It's possible OP started playing a mech chassis he doesn't normally and has a low Elo for it. My light and Heavy Elo is much lower than my medium and Assault.

I was playing almost exclusively my new Highlanders to Master those (now complete) and my Assault ELO should be pretty stable as I've already Mastered Atlases and Awesomes (including all 6 Awesome variants).

Edited by jay35, 21 April 2013 - 12:33 PM.

[General Sherman]

Zensei, on 20 April 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

they are so easy to kill, because, speed always kills, build it, bring it.

zen

If I see two other lights (or even a fast hunch) besides me in my jenner on a team I laugh as we see the 5+ assualts on the enemy team come over the hill.

It's not that hard, skirt the main battle line, get behind them and blast the weakest part. That armor isn't impressive when none of guns are aimed at you.