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[Mr Breaker]

When will we be getting the LBX 2,5 & 20?

They were developed in 2080s and now its 3050

[DrSecretStache]

key word, developed.

They're released in like, 3060s, if I remember correctly. so not for a while.

EDIT: Notice that the clans have them earlier, but we, the IS, do not:

LB 2-X: 2058
LB 5-X: 2058
LB 20-X: 2058

Edited by Zoughtbaj, 21 April 2013 - 10:49 PM.

[Team Leader]

When PGI decides we don't have enough useless weapons already.

[TOGSolid]

Mr Breaker, on 21 April 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

When will we be getting the LBX 2,5 & 20?

They were developed in 2080s and now its 3050

With the clans actually. If you check Sarna every single one of those is current clan tech while the Inner Sphere version doesn't release for 8 more years. PGI has stated we'll be getting all the Clan weapons so all you need is patience!

Edited by TOGSolid, 21 April 2013 - 10:50 PM.

[Team Leader]

TOGSolid, on 21 April 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

With the clans actually. If you check Sarna every single one of those is current clan tech while the Inner Sphere version doesn't release for 8 more years. PGI has stated we'll be getting all Clan weapons so all you need is patience!

Clans! Coming to an MWO near you this summer*!




*disclaimer: "summer" and related terms such as "soon" and "no plans" are trademarks of Piranha Games and Infinite Game Publishing and refers to the calendar year 2015 AD

[TOGSolid]

Team Leader, on 21 April 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Clans! Coming to an MWO near you this summer*!




*disclaimer: "summer" and related terms such as "soon" and "no plans" are trademarks of Piranha Games and Infinite Game Publishing and refers to the calendar year 2015 AD

I expect a lawsuit from Valve regarding all of those trademark attempts.

[Ari Dian]

LB-2-x: Year Availability Clan = 2826; IS = 3058
LB-5-x: Year Availability Clan = 2825; IS = 3058
LB-10-x: Year Availability Clan = 2595 (build by Terran Hegemony; IS); IS = 3035 (reintroduced)
Lb-20-x: Year Availability Clan = 2826; IS = 3058

Available by the clans. But not by the IS untill 3058 (in around 8 years)

[The Silent Protagonist]

Ari Dian, on 21 April 2013 - 11:01 PM, said:

LB-2-x: Year Availability Clan = 2826; IS = 3058
LB-5-x: Year Availability Clan = 2825; IS = 3058
LB-10-x: Year Availability Clan = 2595 (build by Terran Hegemony; IS); IS = 3035 (reintroduced)
Lb-20-x: Year Availability Clan = 2826; IS = 3058

Available by the clans. But not by the IS untill 3058 (in around 8 years)

What I don't get is why it took them 400-odd years to take LB-X tech and make it a different size. I mean, it took half that to evolve the conical bullet to what it is now from scratch, they already have the tech!
Who's on their science team? These guys?

Edited by Lt XKalibur, 21 April 2013 - 11:21 PM.

[Ari Dian]

Little BT-history:

In the time of the Star League, there was not much need for new technology and weapons. There was some decadence for research new stuff. There are several decades between the development of similar equipment.

2766: Stefan Amaris killed the First Lord of the Star League, Richard Cameron. And Aleksandr Kerensky start to take him down in a 13 year war. ⁽¹⁾⁽³⁾
2784: Aleksandr Kerensky Took around 80% of the SLDF (Star League Defence Forces) out of the Inner Sphere to protect his fleet and the Inner Sphere from the coming wars.
A few years later they found some habitable worlds, the Pentagon Worlds. They settled there and tried to rebuild the Star League. But only some years later these exodus fleet was as well in war. Harder than the inner Sphere. They bomb themself back to the stone age. ⁽²⁾
The same happend in the Inner Sphere right after the Exodus of the SLDF. ⁽⁴⁾
The difference was that the IS didnt had a hidden "backup fleet". They destroyed all. Aleksandr on the other had placed nearly the whole army into stock because he was afraid something like this will happen. ⁽⁷⁾

Nicholas Kerensky (son of Aleksandr) took a few loyal members (800) and formed a new system (the clans). And he reconquered the Pentagon worlds from the remaining troops. ⁽²⁾

2802: Nicholas Kerensky announced the fountation of the Clans. ⁽²⁾

But at this time, there was no breeding program, there was no science, there were no factories. All these had to be build.

So after all it was not to bad to development the missing LB-x autocannons in 26 years. Now you might ask when the Star League didnt build the LB 2, 5, 20 -X. Within the 177 years is something i cant answer. Other than the decadence. It took them 250 years between the development of the AC5 and the AC20.... <sup>(5)(6)







(1)</sup> http://www.sarna.net...i/Stefan_Amaris
⁽²⁾ http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Clans
⁽³⁾ http://www.sarna.net...ksandr_Kerensky
⁽⁴⁾ http://www.sarna.net..._Succession_War
⁽⁵⁾ http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Autocannon/5
⁽⁶⁾ http://www.sarna.net...i/Autocannon/20
⁽⁷⁾ http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Blood_Legacy

[DarkDevilDancer]

The IS almost blasted themselves back to the stone age fighting for the star league throne, much of the tech was destroyed and the inventors had fled with kerensky or died during the first war so they had to replace the more advanced tech with parts they could easily manufacture.

Then in 3028 a mercenary group the grey death legion found a data core that had plans for erlasers pulse weapons and the like which finally allowed the IS to start advancing again.

[Mr Breaker]

PGI arnt gonna stick to the time line of the mechwarrior universe are they? 8 years for a new weapon?

[Ari Dian]

So far they did. And i hope they do.
All current weapons are 3050 tech. Just the arrow IV is missing.

And i dont want to see some of the Tech3 stuff within the next year, just because they think there is need in new weapons.

Just a short overview what will come:
Cruise MIssiles (IS)
ATM (clan)
Hypervelocity AC (IS)
Extended LRM (IS)
Hyper Assault Gauss (Clan)
Heavy Laser (Clan)
MRM (IS)
ER Pulse Laser (Clan)
Rocket Launcher (IS)
Rotary AC (IS+Clan)
Thunderbolt Missile (IS)

And this is only a short overview. I really hope i will not see any of these so soon

[Major Derps]

Team Leader, on 21 April 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

When PGI decides we don't have enough useless weapons already.

Agreed, let them fix the weapons we have, and at least the LBX10, before trying to add more...as much as I would be all for them.

[Yokaiko]

They are all DOA unless they remodel the spread.

[Mr Breaker]

Ari Dian, on 22 April 2013 - 02:55 AM, said:

So far they did. And i hope they do.
All current weapons are 3050 tech. Just the arrow IV is missing.

And i dont want to see some of the Tech3 stuff within the next year, just because they think there is need in new weapons.

Just a short overview what will come:
Cruise MIssiles (IS)
ATM (clan)
Hypervelocity AC (IS)
Extended LRM (IS)
Hyper Assault Gauss (Clan)
Heavy Laser (Clan)
MRM (IS)
ER Pulse Laser (Clan)
Rocket Launcher (IS)
Rotary AC (IS+Clan)
Thunderbolt Missile (IS)

And this is only a short overview. I really hope i will not see any of these so soon

Wow Thats Alot... Any chance you could give me a quick over view of each one u mention, what it does/ is?

[WidowMaker91]

TOGSolid, on 21 April 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

I expect a lawsuit from Valve regarding all of those trademark attempts.

Gabe Newell get on this!

[LackofCertainty]

Mr Breaker, on 22 April 2013 - 03:59 AM, said:

Wow Thats Alot... Any chance you could give me a quick over view of each one u mention, what it does/ is?

You're on the internet, man. Google "Battletech [insert weapon]" and you will have your answer.

... or just go to www.sarna.net

[Ari Dian]

Short Version:
Cruise MIssiles (IS): Artillery, Bigger version of the Arrow IV
ATM (clan): Advanced Tactical Missile. Basicly a launcher for short, medium and long range missiles.
Hypervelocity AC (IS): Long range AC. More heat, less ammo per ton.
Extended LRM (IS): Mainly ER-LRM. Bigger range (around 50% more)
Hyper Assault Gauss (Clan): In basic the same idea as a LB-X Gauss. With bonus to missile hit roll on short range, and a malus on long range.
Heavy Laser (Clan): More damage for the same range as the IS ones. Heavy med Laser is doing 10 damage on 270m for 7 heat for a weight of 1t.
MRM (IS): Medium range missiles. In range between the SRM and the LRM (450m).
ER Pulse Laser (Clan): Pulse Laser with the range of an ER-LL. 13 heat for 10 damage dont seem so good, but the Pulse Laser bonus make it interessting.
Rocket Launcher (IS): One shot LRMs with a bit shorter range. Rocket/10 weight 0.5t for a one shot LRM10.
Rotary AC (IS+Clan): Ultra AC that can fire up to 6 shots (instead of two). But big chance to jam this way.
Thunderbolt Missile (IS): LRM with one single missile instead of 10. Really funny if you have an AMS.

Long Version:
http://www.sarna.net...Equipment_Lists
http://www.sarna.net...ategory:Weapons
As said it was only a short list, compared to the stuff on Sarna.

[Syllogy]

"Wherz Mai Stuph!?" Guide To 3050 Mechs And Tech

[MeiSooHaityu]

Lt XKalibur, on 21 April 2013 - 11:19 PM, said:

What I don't get is why it took them 400-odd years to take LB-X tech and make it a different size. I mean, it took half that to evolve the conical bullet to what it is now from scratch, they already have the tech!
Who's on their science team? These guys?

Like many have stated. The wars inside the inner sphere all but destroyed technological advancements and research and development. Think of the inner sphere as users and not producers. They don't know how to develop new tech because that knowledge is lost, they just use the massive amounts of weapon stores they have and fight with that.

Basically in a nutshell. They don't know how to make LB2s, 5s, 20s, etc... because they really don't know how the LB10 works, they just use it because they exist. Once they finnally start looking at clan tech, they just reverse engineer it as best they can.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 22 April 2013 - 05:45 AM.