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[kf envy]

Cifrer, on 20 April 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

I don't exactly agree with the poll, however I voted yes simply because machine guns need some type of buff.

MACHINE GUN 87 58,071 31,849 54.84% 06:58:34 1,298

This is why.

Also, we're not playing tabletop battletech, we're playing mechwarrior online. Sure, it's based off battletech, but some adjustments need to be made for the sake of gameplay. Because of this it doesn't matter what you think weapons are for or how they work in tabletop, because this isn't tabletop.

We don't care if you're the most super awesome tabletop player ever or whatever else you like to think of yourself, it doesn't matter. We're not playing tabletop.

One last time for folks who don't get it, this isn't tabletop battletech. Different game, completely different environment. So if you're absolutely convinced that machine guns should be useless simply because you think they are in tabletop...oh well, you're wrong.

Machine guns need to be a viable weapon in mechwarrior online.



P.S. 2 damage in tabletop, just like AC/2. Suck it.

well 1st off your not playing MW4 an the timeline of MWO is pre clan tech an after the clan says helo. the MG on mech become an lot better. an there not usless on tabletop. your ignorance is clear you now nothing about mechwarrir or battleteck


P.S. AC/2 is 2(2) damage in tabletop so if you get a good role"AIM" its 4 an MG are short range AC2 is extreme range.

edit* the video thats from the MW2 intro are all clan teck an cant really be used to compare with the inner sphere MGs

Edited by kf envy, 21 April 2013 - 12:54 AM.

[TOGSolid]

Magicbullet141, on 20 April 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

The Mechwarrior video games were never considered to be canon, also did you not see in the video that his machine guns did no damage?

So Mechwarrior games are never considered canon.

Why then are you basing your argument around canon?

kf envy, on 20 April 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

this is from the current battletech techmanual i added the Heavy MG to give ppl idea of damage"
heavy weapons and equipment table & weapons and equipemts chapter


page 341
weapon/item ~ heat ~damage ~ammo per ton ~ ton
small laser ~1 ~3 ~NA ~0.5
MG `0 ~2 ~200 .~05
Hmg ~0 ~3 ~100 ~1.0

page228
Machine gun
introduced: Pre-spaceflight
favored as the quintessential anti-infantry weapon since the first crude models appeared in the nineteenth century, the machine gun (MG) is not an uncommon sight on battlemechs, armored personnel carriers and even police swat trucks. heaver and capable of a far greater volume of fire then the weapons carried by conventional infantry or battle-suited troopers, these vehicular and mech-mounted machine guns can flatten entire platoons of regular troops in just one or two passes.
Revently clan developments have even affected even this area of modern weaponry with the fielding of heavy and light MG types.
inner sphere manufacturers have yet to duplucate these weapons.
"

hope this help with why the pre-clan invasion MG should stay the same.

I see a giant wall of text that has nothing to do with video game design and video game balance. Please frame your argument so that it's actually relevant in gameplay terms as to why the Machine Gun should be awful in Mechwarrior Online. Otherwise, I will be glad to ignore you just as I ignore everyone else screaming at the top of their lungs and pointing to their rulebooks as if they were insane street preachers.

Funny how the grognards will yell BUT IT'S CANON THAT WAY even though it does the exact same damage as the AC/2. By their own logic the MG should do 4 DPS per second in MWO since apparently the AC/2 is fine how it is since they aren't yelling about it. Obviously that's a dumb idea though so what's wrong with 1 DPS?

This is almost as awful as the SRM debates where the best people could come up with about splash damage was ITS REELIZTIK and then spun the whole thing into the ground with circular logic. There is no real debate about MGs. One side wants logical, game enhancing buffs and the other side is just waving their TT books around with no regard whatsoever for MWO being enjoyable with a wide variety of builds.

Edited by TOGSolid, 21 April 2013 - 12:55 AM.

[kf envy]

TOGSolid, on 21 April 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

So Mechwarrior games are never considered canon.

Why are you arguing, then, that this game needs to be canon?

I see a giant wall of text that has nothing to do with the game design and game balance. Please frame your argument so that it's actually relevant in gameplay terms as to why the Machine Gun should be awful.

oh but it has it has everthing to do with it. an remember you dont have that clan MG "HMG" that does more damage. so fallowing the TIMELINE the MG should do less then a small laser.
if the Dev did not care about the time line then ware is my MK3 madcat and my Roc

the amount of ignorance hear amazes me

[TOGSolid]

kf envy, on 21 April 2013 - 01:03 AM, said:

oh but it has it has everthing to do with it. an remember you dont have that clan MG "HMG" that does more damage. so fallowing the TIMELINE the MG should do less then a small laser.
if the Dev did not care about the time line then ware is my MK3 madcat and my Roc

the amount of ignorance hear amazes me

It has everything to do with it? How. Justify your position. You're not debating, you're just puffing your chest out, spouting off random things, and not actually supporting your position. You also conveniently ignored everything else I brought up in my post. What's the matter, incapable of arguing against it?

And for the record, nobody is asking for the MG to do more damage than a small laser. The only people spouting that nonsense off are guys like you.

Btw: It's not good to try to call everyone else dumb when you've got the typing and spelling ability of a five year old. It just kinda looks bad.

Edited by TOGSolid, 21 April 2013 - 01:16 AM.

[kf envy]

Loler skates, on 21 April 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

Ignore the stupid troll that doesn't understand anything about this game.

go read a book then maybe you understand maybe somthing about the game, until then your opinion is void

[Egomane]

As you can't stay nice in here and as it is, at it's core, just another MG thread I'll close this one.

Please continue your MG discussion, wzhile following the Code of Conduct in the MG feedback thread.
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