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[Syncline]

PGI is pulling out all of the stops trying to get me to buy more MC. Two games in a row, two bugs that make the game unplayable in a row.

The best part? Both of those bugs have been around for a good eight months now and STILL haven't been fixed... no HUD and no minimap.

Come on PGI. Fix the bugs already.

>.<

[Syncline]

Read my post again.

Edited by Syncline, 21 April 2013 - 04:06 PM.

[Soy]

Neverfar, on 21 April 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Please be less vague. Which bugs? Did they stop you from playing (actually getting stuck in the terrain) or were they simply annoying/cosmetic?

what the **** is vague about "no minimap" or "no HUD"

[Willie Sauerland]

Syncline, on 21 April 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

PGI is pulling out all of the stops trying to get me to buy more MC. Two games in a row, two bugs that make the game unplayable in a row.

The best part? Both of those bugs have been around for a good eight months now and STILL haven't been fixed... no HUD and no minimap.

Come on PGI. Fix the bugs already.

>.<

I'm sure you got the crash dump, a DxDiag, and
sent them immediately to Support as well, right?
If there was no crash dump, reporting it to
Support will allow them to check their logs
or suggest a fix on your end.
It might help...

Edited by Willie Sauerland, 21 April 2013 - 04:10 PM.

[Soy]

If he's boating LRMs you mean to tell me you think that it's [legitimately] playable in no hud mode?

[Roadbeer]

Low priority bugs that aren't show stoppers.

Rather see bug stomping time spent on those who are still, for the most part, experiencing unplayable conditions, not just inconvenient ones.

And if those are your biggest complaints for bugs... We'll just chalk that up to "First World Problems"

[Syncline]

You guys need to read the post before you start talking ****. It just makes you look stupid. I said "no HUD" and "no minimap." They're not crashes, therefore there are no crash dumps. The bugs have been around for the entire duration of my MWO experience, which is about eight months. They have gotten plenty of debug files uploaded and yet the bugs persist.

For.

Eight.

MONTHS.

If I were not a geologist by trade, and perhaps a software engineer instead, then I might have a suggestion how to fix the bugs. But you know what? I'm not a software engineer. I'm a geologist. I can give suggestions to improve the visual accuracy of the game's maps, but I don't think they would pay me very much to do so (and I highly doubt they will re-make textures and map geometry because I said they should).

Edited by Syncline, 21 April 2013 - 04:16 PM.

[JohnoBurr]

Willie Sauerland, on 21 April 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

I'm sure you got the crash dump, a DxDiag, and
sent them immediately to Support as well, right?
If there was no crash dump, reporting it to
Support will allow them to check their logs
or suggest a fix on your end.
It might help...

Yep, that will totally allow them to fix the problems that have been plaguing the game for months. Absolutely bang on, nailed it.

[Ratnix]

I had the same thing happen to me as the op did, no maps no player indicators.

I was so crippled by it I totally didn't win the match for my team and even walked away with a kill.

I mean clearly this completely breaks the game.

[Soy]

Nobody gives the slighest **** about your stupid anecdotal experiences of the one time you actually played decent with a bug.

The frequency and actual degredation of the HUD mechanics and functionality are troubling. Deny this and you're a ******* moron.

I'm not trying to defend the OP for whining like 80,000 other randoms but at the end of the day he's just venting his annoyance with an obvious problem with the game. Anyone ******** on that is a complete gimp. End of.

Edited by Soy, 21 April 2013 - 04:27 PM.

[Willie Sauerland]

Syncline, on 21 April 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

You guys need to read the post before you start talking ****. It just makes you look stupid. I said "no HUD" and "no minimap." They're not crashes, therefore there are no crash dumps. The bugs have been around for the entire duration of my MWO experience, which is about eight months. They have gotten plenty of debug files uploaded and yet the bugs persist.

For.

Eight.

MONTHS.

If I were not a geologist by trade, and perhaps a software engineer instead, then I might have a suggestion how to fix the bugs. But you know what? I'm not a software engineer. I'm a geologist. I can give suggestions to improve the visual accuracy of the game's maps, but I don't think they would pay me very much to do so (and I highly doubt they will re-make textures and map geometry because I said they should).

Um...
They added additional diagnostics to try and find the sources of the issues.
Believe it or not, I have had crash dumps for the HUD failing to render.
So just because it wasn't a crash in the typical sense of the word,
does not mean a crash dump doesn't exist.

JohnoBurr, on 21 April 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

Yep, that will totally allow them to fix the problems that have been plaguing the game for months. Absolutely bang on, nailed it.

Why do you think they added the additional diagnostics?
And I know I nailed it.
Thanks for your support.

Edited by Willie Sauerland, 21 April 2013 - 04:31 PM.

[Syncline]

Soy, on 21 April 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

but at the end of the day he's just venting his annoyance with an obvious problem with the game. Anyone ******** on that is a complete gimp. End of.

^This.

Plus, as they say, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Perhaps if just one more QQ thread is posted PGI will realize that it's absolutely shameful that bugs such as these, which have been so well-documented, and which have been around for so long, still exist.

One can hope.

Edited by Syncline, 21 April 2013 - 04:36 PM.

[Willie Sauerland]

Syncline, on 21 April 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

^This.

Plus, as they say, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Perhaps if just one more QQ thread is posted PGI will realize that it's absolutely shameful that bugs such as these, which have been so well-documented, and which have been around for so long, still exist.

One can hope.

No, I completely get it and you stated as much in your title.
However, I find most people don't know about the added diagnostics.
I'm trying to help while understanding the rage.

[Fajther]

I get pretty frustrated sometimes too. The problem is that we can't actually force people or pgi to do anything. So as much as I get mini map, bugs every 3 games and no iff every 8 or so getts pretty frustrating. Then you have the lrm vs ecm issue. As much as these feelings we have get shouted down by the community we only can control the voice in the back or our heads. We can choose to stop thinking about the parts of the game that make us mad. And there does seem to be more of them.

Edited by Fajther, 21 April 2013 - 04:48 PM.

[Syncline]

It's pretty easy for someone to stop thinking about bad parts of a game: just quit playing. I think, however, that PGI doesn't want that to happen. I haven't quit playing and probably won't. But I will certainly stop throwing money at my computer screen until they get their act together. In-game balance problems (ECM, missiles, poptarding, etc) are one thing, but bugs (in other words, jacked up code) are entirely different. One can be worked around, new tactics developed, new playstyles adopted. The other makes the game unplayabe.

[Lazydrones541]

I do agree these bugs are getting rather tiresome and boring (not to mention extremely annoying) However, I have come out of matches after doing very well, with no HUD or map. Think of it as hard mode!! But it also gets you to work a little more closely with your crew (team).
"Dude where are they?"
--"Over there"
"Over where? My HUD is gone remember!!??"
-- "Oh, umm, over behind that hill in front of me, and behind that building. Two of em."
etc etc etc...
Teamwork sometimes comes out a little more from said issues...
(If your team doesnt quite cooperate in such ways.. well... time to ditch em)

That being said, it is like playing a roulette game of "Spin the wheel of bugs" just to see which one you will win next round.
Perhaps you should even win extra prizes for playing in such a match..
In due time, they should be gone again and possibly arise again in some future patch. Perhaps they will learn a thing or two if this continues after launch.

PS: if you are a geologist and could offer advice on how to fine tune the visual niceness.. Why not offer up some "professional" help for free? Always with the... I demand compensation for my time spent on critiquing your stuff!!!.
Seriously?? Perhaps "professional" advice is heeded more often than not as it is usually backed by, well, ********-free genuinely helpful info.

Edited by Lazydrones541, 21 April 2013 - 04:54 PM.

[Syncline]

Lazydrones541, on 21 April 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

PS: if you are a geologist and could offer advice on how to fine tune the visual niceness.. Why not offer up some "professional" help for free? Always with the... I demand compensation for my time spent on critiquing your stuff!!!.
Seriously?? Perhaps "professional" advice is heeded more often than not as it is usually backed by, well, ********-free genuinely helpful info.

I'd be thrilled to offer advice if it were solicited. I'd even do it for free! I just get the feeling that if PGI can't fix a bug that's been around for eight months, they aren't going to completely re-make every map and in-game texture.

Anyway, I'd much prefer they devote resources to fixing bugs instead of making the game prettier. It looks fine. Make it playable.

Edited by Syncline, 21 April 2013 - 04:58 PM.

[Greyfyl]

Willie Sauerland, on 21 April 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

I'm sure you got the crash dump, a DxDiag, and
sent them immediately to Support as well, right?
If there was no crash dump, reporting it to
Support will allow them to check their logs
or suggest a fix on your end.
It might help...

Hard to believe you would be here defending PGI.....of course it's the playerbase's fault that these bugs haven't been squashed yet.

[Dovvol]

I play some of my best matches with no minimap. Makes me pay more attention to whats going on around me. And I think out of the last 30 hrs i've put in this game, I've had the no hud bug 3 times. These are not game breaking bugs. The ones where you get stuck in terrain and can't move, or like the kalidescope bug, those are the kind that make the game unplayable, and they've fixed a lot of those kinds of bugs. No IFF bug? shoot at the stuff shooting at you. No HUD, no minimap, no IFF just means you have to pay more attention.

[Willie Sauerland]

Greyfyl, on 21 April 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

Hard to believe you would be here defending PGI.....of course it's the playerbase's fault that these bugs haven't been squashed yet.

What?
Who is defending PGI here?
They enabled more diagnostics to try and find the issues.
Common issues can create crash dumps now even though the game
did not crash in the normally accepted fashion.
But to squash the bugs, they need the assistance of the beta testers
which all of us are and should be doing.
Failure to comprehend this is a beta is not PGIGP's or my problem.

Edited by Willie Sauerland, 21 April 2013 - 05:04 PM.