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[Tatula]

Bryan Ekman, on 25 April 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

Interesting stat - 19% of Assault wins come from Base Caps. 81% of victories come from destroying the opposition.

What's the percentage of Assault ending in Base Caps with NO damage done by either side?

[Training Instructor]

Interesting stat: People who are practicing defending points on a map play assault, people who are playing to actually assault stuff play conquest.

Jump snipers have to actually move to win on conquest, so they don't like it. If you're tired of their boring and incompetent play, come do conquest. As an assault, you can still have fun.

Bryan Ekman, on 25 April 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

Interesting stat - 19% of Assault wins come from Base Caps. 81% of victories come from destroying the opposition.

Cool story bro, why isn't more information like this available at any time to the players?

You devs have shown that you're willing to release nuggets of information to appease people, but you aren't willing to systematically do so.

This is why you have so many community problems. Maybe you need a community manager....oh wait, you've got one. Maybe you need a new one.

[slayerkdm]

Yep, I only play conquest. For that exact reason.

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

I prefer conquest because it is not just "meet in the middle and shoot each other", you actually have to worry about both maneuvering to control the field and shooting at each other.

I think I like the idea of having one capture point that both teams have to fight for, but I think it would be even more monotonous than assault already is.

[HRR Mary]

Bryan Ekman, on 25 April 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

Interesting stat - 19% of Assault wins come from Base Caps. 81% of victories come from destroying the opposition.

On what period of time? On how much amount of games?
How many of the 81% were last fought in or around one of the cap zones?
How many times a base has been started capping before any real engagement has taken place?

And I can go on... A Stat out of context can be made so it tells an entirely different story.

[Windsaw]

HRR Mary, on 25 April 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

A Stat out of context can be made so it tells an entirely different story.

That may be, but in this case I don't know what difference it would make:

What period of time? People have always complained about capwarrior, so I don't think it matters much.
How much amount of games? Okay, that would be interesting. If that info comes from the developers I am sure they are enough. If it's a personal statistic, it may not be enough.
How many of the 81% were last fought in or around one of the cap zones? I'm really not sure what difference it should make. If it is far from the cap zones, then it doesn't matter. If it is near the cap zones then it means the system is doing exactly what it is there for: Forcing campers to act instead of hide, which would be infinitely worse than capping.
How many times a base has been started capping before any real engagement has taken place? Here I am really wondering: What difference would that make AT ALL.

[Crunk Prime]

Bryan Ekman, on 25 April 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

Interesting stat - 19% of Assault wins come from Base Caps. 81% of victories come from destroying the opposition.

Are you seriously trying to use that to downplay all the hate for base capping to try and prove that people are complaining about something that only happens in a piddly 19% of matches?

How about you post the stats for how many times a base is even touched during an assault match. I can guarantee its much higher than 19%. Most of the hate stems from playing a fun match blowing mechs apart and then suddenly a light mech with a cap module who took the long way around the fight plops onto your base and just sits there doing nothing hoping he can win using his brilliant tactics. Its just annoying.

If people want to play Assault mode, or Conquest, let them, but many MANY people would love a team deathmatch mode. And if light mechs running away to draw out a fight is going to be a problem that comes up, cut match times down to 10minutes for deathmatch. With no bases to worry about people will be getting right into the action much faster. By time everybodys dead, if one light mech wants to run away forever, there will only be a minute or two left tops.

[Inkarnus]

dude if you are frustratet against capping mechs get 16 dudes of your liking and syncdrop in 8 mans
gosh isnt that hard it works for other leagues so why rant about official game modes
were the rules are set and i am highly doubting they will change them and yes it so unfair
to cap. because that the enemy got 2 assaults vs 6 assaults poor yous and they dropped 350 tons vs 600tons
why dare thos to cap !!!!!

Edited by Inkarnus, 26 April 2013 - 02:27 AM.

[Crunk Prime]

Dude. If you are going to attempt to troll me, can you at least do it in proper english?

[ivr56]

i play conquest since its more fun
More enjoyable then wait for a middle line rush/jump. Conquest to me tends to flow better plus you get more of a mix between snipers and brawlers.

Edited by ivr56, 26 April 2013 - 11:13 PM.

[Yokaiko]

ivr56, on 26 April 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

more of a mix between snipers and brawlers. Not 6 assaultsper team

FTFY

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Funny, I play Assault for the same reason...
Namely killing all the enemy but one 3L and the rest of my team thinking its suicide to attack a 3l one on one so we lose the match because the rest of the ppl on the team are too busy zerging point to point and the 3L is invisible.

[Muffinator]

Bryan Ekman, on 25 April 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

Interesting stat - 19% of Assault wins come from Base Caps. 81% of victories come from destroying the opposition.

So 1 in 5 games are ruined...

[Inkarnus]

ruined you can cut that in half by the teams winning major engagements and dont want to search that light and go to cap

[SinnerX]

Inkarnus, on 27 April 2013 - 07:47 AM, said:

ruined you can cut that in half by the teams winning major engagements and dont want to search that light and go to cap

I don't think we need to start applying made up statistics on top of our real statistics, thanks.

[Taemien]

Bryan Ekman, on 25 April 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

Interesting stat - 19% of Assault wins come from Base Caps. 81% of victories come from destroying the opposition.

That'll shut them up. Well not really, but it does take the steam out of them.

Muffinator, on 27 April 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:

So 1 in 5 games are ruined...

Keep thinking that. My team has a very effective base capping strategy that works on Conquest almost flawlessly. Countering it is basically not possible to do unless you know what we're doing (or we get unlucky). By the time you realize it, we own four bases and are 600 to 300 pts.

Assault or Conquest, we're still capping you. Where is your god now?

[Deathlike]

Thontor, on 25 April 2013 - 03:20 PM, said:

Bryan just tweeted that 1.2% of Assault matches end in 0 deaths.

I'd like that figure to go down to say... < .1%.

[BlackYoshi1230]

I tend to like Conquest more, mainly because I don't have to engage in contests of "yaargh, who has the most chainsaws/baseball bats with 50 nails tacked on/jackrabbits that throw pipe wrenches and/or raspberry jam in your face/Cobra Assault Cannons." (Okay, the last two still apply.) So yes, I can run my MSL Centurion or my CritSeeker Cat and not be a b___h as far as piloting is concerned.

That, and there's actually a timer that makes me concerned about "working against the clock:" the resource counter.

I mainly fly Conquest for variety and to avoid the builds the mice keep getting attracted to (where's mousetrap builds when you need them?)

Edited by BlackYoshi1230, 28 April 2013 - 11:20 PM.

[627]

capping is valid tactic and yes it is indeed a tactical decision.

When you have 5 or 6 heavy+ snipin you from cover in snowstorm city it is a good and needed way to split this group up (that's why it's called splitcap).

There are big red letters which tell you "THERE IS SOMEONE STEALING YOUR GIRLS AND LOLZ FROM YOUR CHEST" - if the whole enemy team do not bother to deal with this threat, they deserve to lose the game.

We cap with two lights/mediums to split them up, if no one comes back, we leave a small percentage of the cap bar and go harassing from behind. If that goes wrong we can still outcap em.

[BellatorMonk]

Bryan-

Why not have have a mode called Cap the Base and make Assault a true death match? Many of us just want to kill the enemy team and not deal with soloist who goes and caps the base with no fight.