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[Skylarr]

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<h1 class="firstHeading" id="firstHeading"> Video Games
This category is for all BattleTech-based video games.

Subcategories

This category has only the following subcategory.

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• Video Game Resources

Pages in category "Video Games"

The following 29 pages are in this category, out of 29 total.

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• MechWarrior 3050
  
• BattleTech: The Crescent Hawks' Inception
  
• BattleTech: The Crescent Hawks' Revenge

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• MechAssault
  
• MechAssault 2: Lone Wolf
  
• MechAssault: Phantom War
  
• MechCommander (Video Game)
  
• MechCommander 2
  
• MechForce (Video Game)
  
• MechWar
  
• MechWarrior (1989 Video Game)
  
• MechWarrior (1992 Video Game)
  
• MechWarrior 2: 31st Century Combat
  
• MechWarrior 2: Mercenaries
  
• MechWarrior 3
  
• MechWarrior 4: Vengeance
  
• MechWarrior 4: Mercenaries
  
• MechWarrior (SNES)
  
• MechWarrior Online
  
• MechWarrior Tactical Command
  
• MechWarrior Tactics
  
• MechWarrior:Living Legends
  
• MegaMek
  
• MegaMekLab
  
• MekHQ
  
• Mekwars
  
• Merc Net

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• NetMech
  
• Neveron

These item are Non-Canon

The MechWarrior, MechCommander, and MechAssault video and computer games, as well as the various BattleTech games produced for Nintendo and Sega game systems

[MustrumRidcully]

Ah.. Crescent Hawk's Inception. That might have been one of my first Battletech games... (I am actuall ynot sure if I didn't play MW1 beore I played CHI).

[Syllogy]

Your Mech-Fu is Weak.

These are the official video games that are considered Canon:

• BattleTech: The Crescent Hawk's Inception
  
• BattleTech: The Crescent Hawk's Revenge
  
• BattleTech: A Game of Armored Combat
  
• MechWarrior
  
• Multiplayer BattleTech: EGA
  
• MechWarrior 3050
  
• MechWarrior 2: 31st Century Combat
  
• MechWarrior 2: Ghost Bear's Legacy
  
• Multiplayer BattleTech: Solaris
  
• MechWarrior 2: Mercenaries
  
• MechWarrior 3
  
• MechWarrior 3: Pirate's Moon
  
• MechWarrior 4: Vengeance
  
• MechWarrior 4: Black Knight
  
• MechWarrior 4: Mercenaries
  
• MechCommander
  
• Multiplayer BattleTech 3025
  
• MechCommander 2

Edited by Syllogy, 24 April 2013 - 04:24 AM.

[dal10]

and your's is even weaker. None of the mechwarrior video games are canon.

directly copied from sarna


Whatever we establish for research material for the authors is canon.
Currently, that list includes:

All sourcebooks and novels produced for BattleTech by FASA and Roc in the United States
All sourcebooks and novels produced for Classic BattleTech by FanPro and Roc in the United States
All sourcebooks and novels (including electronic publications, such as BattleCorps) produced by InMediaRes (and its subsidiaries, BattleCorps and Catalyst Game Labs) in the United States
All material produced by WizKids for the MechWarrior: Dark Age/MechWarrior: Age of Destruction game lines
GENERAL INCLUSIVE NOTE: There are a few select instances where a story or article appearing even in these sources may be considered non-canon, but generally this is because the material was in error [...], or it was specifically published as a gag [...].

The list does not include:

Magazines, even "official" ones such as BattleTechnology, 'Mech, and others
The MechWarrior, MechCommander, and MechAssault video and computer games, as well as the various BattleTech games produced for Nintendo and Sega game systems
The BattleTech cartoon series
The BattleTech comic book series
GENERAL NON-INCLUSIVE NOTE: Despite their non-canonical status, we have not gone into total denial about these sources either, but have simply opted to pick and choose what elements there are "canon" and what are not.

[Syllogy]

So who decides what is Canon and what is not?

... Oh yeah, Jordan Weisman, founder of Battletech and Fasa Games, who created, produced, or consulted on most of the games that you are spouting "Are Not Canon!", including Mechwarrior: Online.

... btw, your Mech-Fu is still weak.

Edited by Syllogy, 24 April 2013 - 07:55 AM.

[dal10]

just because the founder may have consulted on a game, does not automatically make it canon. The games are apocrypha at best.

[Syllogy]

dal10, on 24 April 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

just because the founder may have consulted on a game, does not automatically make it canon. The games are apocrypha at best.

And what about the games that he actually created?

If you want to define "Canon" you can define it as anything that has ever been published under an Official license.

This means that any books, games, reference materials, etc. that are Offically Licensed are canon, whether you want them to be or not.

However, this does not mean that material that is universally stupid (like Powerups in Mechassault) shouldn't be discouraged as source material.

Edited by Syllogy, 24 April 2013 - 08:12 AM.

[Skylarr]

Catalyst Games determines what in or in not Canon. Look Here.

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Hello,

Nope. Computer games like MechCommander and the MechWarrior franchise are based in canon and based in the BattleTech universe, but are themselves not generally considered to be canon. This includes the MechCommander introduction. The fact is, the designers took a little artistic license is all. A Hunchback with Full-Head Ejection and a Raven with SRM 2s are *possible* variants, but they have not been canonized as such yet.

Thank you,

- Herbert Beas
BattleTech
Catalyst Game Labs

[Syllogy]

Skylarr, on 24 April 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

Catalyst Games determines what in or in not Canon. Look Here.

Catalyst didn't get the license until 2007. While they can denounce the licensed products themselves, the legitimacy of their claims is questionable.

[dal10]

They are empowered directly by weisman to decide what is canon and what is not. if catalyst says it is not canon, it is not canon unless weisman SPECIFICALLY overrides them.

[Skylarr]

How is it questionable. TOPPS owns the rights and is letting Catalyst Games do what they feel is best for the BattleTech Universe.

[Syllogy]

Skylarr, on 24 April 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

How is it questionable. TOPPS owns the rights and is letting Catalyst Games do what they feel is best for the BattleTech Universe.

It's much like the argument of the Unseen Mechs, and the trio of 3050 TRO's.

If we accepted Catalyst's version of Battletech History without a grain of salt, then the Unseen mechs would never be considered Canon mechs, even though a variety of sources say that they are.

dal10, on 24 April 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

They are empowered directly by weisman to decide what is canon and what is not. if catalyst says it is not canon, it is not canon unless weisman SPECIFICALLY overrides them.

Weisman sold the license, his involvement of canon ends with his ownership of the franchise.

Battletech is owned by a variety of companies, which is part of the nightmare that is Battletech. Topps owns the rights to produce anything that is not a Novel or Video Game.

Catalyst owns the rights to produce Novels, and Source Material, and licenses the rights from Topps to make Tabletop Games.

Microsoft owns the rights to Battletech on any digital/video-game outlet.

And there are a number of smaller claims (like Harmony Gold) to specific parts of Battletech, but these are always called into questions of legitimacy.

Edited by Syllogy, 24 April 2013 - 08:35 AM.

[dal10]

your top argument is actually bs. They have not said that they are not canon, just their original images are no longer part of the BT franchise.

[Syllogy]

dal10, on 24 April 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

your top argument is actually bs. They have not said that they are not canon, just their original images are no longer part of the BT franchise.

Then why aren't the Unseen mechs mentioned in the 3050 Revised TRO?

Reference for the latest (Catalyst Version) of the 3050 TRO on Sarna

Reference for the previous version (FASA) after Harmony Gold got uppity.

Reference for the original 3050 TRO before Harmony Gold got uppity.

Edited by Syllogy, 24 April 2013 - 08:42 AM.

[Skylarr]

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A special TRO release, this title officially addressed the Unseen in a way that allowed their graphical use back into publication. FanPro chose to re-commission artwork for each of the affected BattleMechs, with the in-character explanation that the designs had been modernized (and, hence, been brought back into the spotlight with a different outer appearance). In this fashion, the book is a belated companion to the Technical Readout: 3025 Revised.

• Short Story - Stalking the Legends

• Introduction - the speculation of Word of Blake origins for the Phoenix 'Mechs
  (Precentor XIV-Delta Tempest Stryker, ComStar, to Precentor ROM Victoria Parrdeau, 1 August 3067)

• Inner Sphere BattleMechs - the seeming immortality of the "classic" designs
  (Demi-Precentor X-Omega Martin Overstreet, ComStar, 1 October, 3067)
  
  • Light 'Mechs
    
    • Locust
      
    • Stinger
      
    • Wasp
      
    • Valkyrie
      
    • Ostscout
  • Medium 'Mechs
    
    • Phoenix Hawk
      
    • Griffin
      
    • Scorpion
      
    • Shadow Hawk
      
    • Wolverine
  • Heavy 'Mechs
    
    • Ostroc
      
    • Ostsol
      
    • Rifleman
      
    • Crusader
      
    • Thunderbolt
      
    • Archer
      
    • Warhammer
      
    • Marauder
  • Assault 'Mechs
    
    • Goliath
      
    • Battlemaster
      
    • Longbow
      
    • Marauder II

• Clan BattleMechs - honorable appreciation for Clan Diamond Shark and the concern over their own apparent Project Phoenix.
  (Demi-Precentor Rochelle Capetturn, Explorer Corps, to Precentor XXIV Padraig O Bhaoil, Director, Explorer Corps, along with notes from Precentor XXIV Padraig O Bhaoil to Precentor Parrdeau, ComStar)
  
  • Light 'Mechs
    
    • Locust IIC
  • Medium 'Mechs
    
    • Griffin IIC
      
    • Shadow Hawk IIC
  • Heavy 'Mechs
    
    • Rifleman IIC
      
    • Phoenix Hawk IIC
  • Assault 'Mechs
    
    • Marauder IIC
      
    • Warhammer IIC
• Project Phoenix Variant Recognition Guide - BattleMech Variant Illustrations

Notes

• Though controversial in its commissioning, the title provided relief (of sorts) for which a vocal majority of fans had been clamoring. By incorporating features that suggested evolution of similar features on the Unseen, the Reseen, as they are colloquially known, were able to sidestep the issue of artwork outside of FASA/FanPro's studios. Debate still simmered from two camps: that from those who saw new miniatures lessening the 'value' of their limited Unseen figures and from those looking for relief from the ban of artwork from historical period (i.e., occurring before the Clan Invasion).
  
• The product number of the original edition in 2003 was FPR 10991; a second "corrected printing" from 2005 exists with the product number FPR 35032.

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Technical Readout: 3050 Upgrade is the third book in the Upgrade series of Technical Readouts, the third related to 3050, and the first released since Total Warfare and TechManual introduced new equipment. Like its predecessor Technical Readout: 3050 Revised, it excludes the Unseen, which got their update in Technical Readout: Project Phoenix.

[Syllogy]

Both of those titles were released before Catalyst bought the license in 2007.

[Utilyan]

Mechwarrior 2 -PC

Is above cannon and the complete reality of what really went down. My opinion wasn't for this we wouldn't even be here.

If Disney said Star Wars: A new hope wasn't cannon, its laughable.

Same way its completely laughable Mechwarrior 2 is not cannon.

Mechwarrior 2 put BT on the map and outshined not only battletech games but every other game out in its time.

I think someone's ego got bruised and since then its like BT has been dying to be the "better" cannon, its stabbed mechwarrior 2 in the back.

Its like they let someone else drive once.......they do mechwarrior 2........GREAT GAME........then the sloppy driver grabs the wheel after the other guy did all the real work.

Ever since its been the sloppy driver trying to get out of the shadow of mechwarrior 2.

Mechwarrior 2 was so good, you could have had the crappiest computer in the world and it gave your comp a new car smell.
Mechwarrior 2 is AWESOME. The clans in Mechwarrior 2......are not Mech-klingons.


Whenever someone mentions "Mechwarrior" its the first thing that comes to mind.