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[zraven7]

Ok, in cannon, Grace Shiro had a custom Jenner decked out for a spotters role. Now, between the 2 incarnations of that variant, there were some things we don't have yet, like the C3 Slave Unit and Light PPCs. However, I think that our current radar, plus an ECM module, would mimic a C3 closely enough. So, I think that having Grace Shiro's "Cat" with 4 energy hardpoints, a Missile hardpoint for NARC, and ECM would stay true to the spirit of the original. It would come standard with Ferro Fibrous, Endo-steel, double heat sinks, 2 MLs, ECM, and NARC launcher plus ammo, plus, of course, 5 Jump Jets.

Any thoughts?

[DemonRaziel]

A Jenner with ECM as a Hero 'Mech? I expect P2W screams all over the place (and rightfuly so, I would say).

[Merky Merc]

DemonRaziel, on 26 April 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

A Jenner with ECM as a Hero 'Mech? I expect P2W screams all over the place (and rightfuly so, I would say).

That plus the reports stating that non-founder mechs are getting the hero treatment first.

But jeyzus, an ecm jenner with JJs and missiles o_0. And people ***** about 3Ls.

[Ens]

still not as good as a 3L Raven...

and pretty underpowered loadout, too

[DemonRaziel]

Ens, on 26 April 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

still not as good as a 3L Raven...

and pretty underpowered loadout, too

4x E + 1x M + ECM + JJs + (probably) even higher speed than the 3L has (as is the case with other Jenners)? I would say this is at least as good as the 3L.

[Cairbre]

DemonRaziel, on 26 April 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

4x E + 1x M + ECM + JJs + (probably) even higher speed than the 3L has (as is the case with other Jenners)? I would say this is at least as good as the 3L.

I agree. Arguably, quite a bit better against another ECM light, if anyone else is around when the Streak Raven needs to switch to anti-ECM.

[verybad]

Ens, on 26 April 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

still not as good as a 3L Raven...

and pretty underpowered loadout, too

How quickly we forget.

The 3L was regarded as nothing special till it got ECM...and the Jenner didn't. Take a non ECMed 3L out to play with a Jenner, and the odds are you're coming back to the mechbay without your 3L. The Jenner is a better mech except for one very particular piece of equipment.

Edited by verybad, 26 April 2013 - 09:52 AM.

[zraven7]

Ens, on 26 April 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

still not as good as a 3L Raven...

and pretty underpowered loadout, too

The load-out would be based off the canon loadout. The original Jenner carried 4 medium lasers, and Grace switched out 2 of them to make room for the C3, NARC, and more armor.

As far as the P2W aspect of it, Jenners are the only Lights without an ECM variant, and people still argue that the 3L would be better. I don't see a problem with a Hero mech that is seen as a slightly inferior 3L. This would be for Jenner fans who would like ECM and a C-bill boost. Still, I want to hear opinions, of course.

verybad, on 26 April 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

How quickly we forget.

The 3L was regarded as nothing special till it got ECM...and the Jenner didn't. Take a non ECMed 3L out to play with a Jenner, and the odds are you're coming back to the mechbay without your 3L. The Jenner is a better mech except for one very particular piece of equipment.

Do you feel this about all Jenners, or just a particular variant?

[FiveDigits]

Still 3 MLAS, 2 SSRM2 on the Raven vs. 4 MLAS, 1 SSRM2 on the Jenner. My money'd be on the Raven.

[hammerreborn]

DemonRaziel, on 26 April 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

4x E + 1x M + ECM + JJs + (probably) even higher speed than the 3L has (as is the case with other Jenners)? I would say this is at least as good as the 3L.

So it's a Jenner K with ECM. Why not just give ECM to the K LIKE EVERYONE WANTED (who didn't want it to be on the D).

And the only reason the 3L holds a candle to the Jenner is because streaks are stupid.

Edited by hammerreborn, 26 April 2013 - 09:59 AM.

[DemonRaziel]

zraven7, on 26 April 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

As far as the P2W aspect of it, Jenners are the only Lights without an ECM variant, and people still argue that the 3L would be better. I don't see a problem with a Hero mech that is seen as a slightly inferior 3L. This would be for Jenner fans who would like ECM and a C-bill boost. Still, I want to hear opinions, of course.

Actually, right now there's a 4:1 trend towards considering this build better than the 3L. I understand that this is a Canon build w/o any additional hardpoints, but so is the 3L and we all know who the king of lights is right now.

I understand that the Jenner pilots were kind of let down by not getting an ECM 'Mech, but this would, in my opinion, clearly be the new king of lights and the fact that as a hero 'Mech it's solely an MC purchase would make it P2W.

[verybad]

DemonRaziel, on 26 April 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

Actually, right now there's a 4:1 trend towards considering this build better than the 3L. I understand that this is a Canon build w/o any additional hardpoints, but so is the 3L and we all know who the king of lights is right now.

I understand that the Jenner pilots were kind of let down by not getting an ECM 'Mech, but this would, in my opinion, clearly be the new king of lights and the fact that as a hero 'Mech it's solely an MC purchase would make it P2W.

I'd feel bad about it...but I'd buy it.

[zraven7]

DemonRaziel, on 26 April 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

Actually, right now there's a 4:1 trend towards considering this build better than the 3L. I understand that this is a Canon build w/o any additional hardpoints, but so is the 3L and we all know who the king of lights is right now.

I understand that the Jenner pilots were kind of let down by not getting an ECM 'Mech, but this would, in my opinion, clearly be the new king of lights and the fact that as a hero 'Mech it's solely an MC purchase would make it P2W.

While I can see your viewpoint, and can't knock anyone for agreeing with you, I still don't think it's that huge an advantage. Even with an ECM Hero Jenner, if I got it, I'd primarily play it for the C-bill boost. My favorite is, and always will be, my F. Simple, fast, ammo non-reliant, great alpha. Sure, ECM would be nice, but is ultimately not needed with proper map awareness. I dunno, maybe it's my non-reliance on ECM that makes this imbalance elude me.

GIven, I was unaware of the report of non-founder mechs getting Heroes first, and missed Merky Merc's post above on my first pass (sorry dude, it's friday and my brain is trying to leave for home early), so I guess it's a non-issue. Just is upsetting. I like my Jenners...

[Ens]

DemonRaziel, on 26 April 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

4x E + 1x M + ECM + JJs + (probably) even higher speed than the 3L has (as is the case with other Jenners)? I would say this is at least as good as the 3L.

1,x kph more than a Raven is no argument since it´s totally meaningless

And with that loadout it´s nothing more but:

hammerreborn, on 26 April 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

So it's a Jenner K with ECM. Why not just give ECM to the K LIKE EVERYONE WANTED (who didn't want it to be on the D).
And the only reason the 3L holds a candle to the Jenner is because streaks are stupid.

....and thats true

verybad, on 26 April 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

How quickly we forget.

The 3L was regarded as nothing special till it got ECM...and the Jenner didn't. Take a non ECMed 3L out to play with a Jenner, and the odds are you're coming back to the mechbay without your 3L. The Jenner is a better mech except for one very particular piece of equipment.

It isn´t, because ECM doesn´t matter at all. People think too much "Streaks"

The Raven ( no matter what variant ) has a far superior hitbox when it comes to torso hits, plus an overall smaller profile. If you´ll ever get downed in a Jenner by losing one of your side torsos, something went terribly wrong. It just won´t happen... because your center torso is as big as all three torsos of the Raven. And this is quite known to good pilots

And when state rewind for missiles will introduce ( and if it works properly ) you will fear good 3L pilots that do 3ML + 2 SRM6 more than any Jenner around