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[Roadbeer]

Do the modules that mimic BAP stack with BAP?

I've heard conflicting things about this and I can't seem to find an official post that explains it

[Wintersdark]

If they do stack I'm getting BAP for a few mech. Faster target info is very valuable in a close fight.

[Deathlike]

The only thing that stacks with BAP AFAIK is Advanced Sensor Range.

I have no idea if BAP's accelerated info gathering stacks with the module version that accomplishes the same thing. It probably should though....

[Roadbeer]

I mean really, if they don't stack, that's a pretty weaksause boost for the modules. 6mil and however many GXP for those 2 modules to do the same thing that BAP does for what? 800k?

[HammerForge]

Deathlike, on 25 April 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

The only thing that stacks with BAP AFAIK is Advanced Sensor Range.

I have no idea if BAP's accelerated info gathering stacks with the module version that accomplishes the same thing. It probably should though....

I agree, the Advanced Sensor Range does stack, and is why I use BAP on LRM mechs with my module.

I don't have the accelerator, and not sure I would use it even if I did, in the Mechs that I use BAP, it is mostly for the sensor range and for missle lock time, not to get the paper doll info quicker. It's just not that important for Missles or Scouting which are the two things I have limited myself to so far. Really not sure if it is all that useful for brawling either, it's not like it takes that long to get the paper doll info.

[Deathlike]

HammerForge, on 26 April 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

I don't have the accelerator, and not sure I would use it even if I did, in the Mechs that I use BAP, it is mostly for the sensor range and for missle lock time, not to get the paper doll info quicker. It's just not that important for Missles or Scouting which are the two things I have limited myself to so far. Really not sure if it is all that useful for brawling either, it's not like it takes that long to get the paper doll info.

The only factor is ECM, which would negate BAP or the module. In theory though, having both BAP+module might negate ECM's neutralization effect.

[Pater Mors]

Based on using my Treb 3C with BAP and the Sensor Module I am pretty darn sure they stack. The weapon lock time is very fast with BAP + Artemis and then the sensor range is extended with the SM out to just over 1km. Very worth it for an LRM based Mech, however being that LRM's aren't the best right now probably not worth running until that's fixed.

Base sensor range 800m + 25% BAP + 15% Sensor Module = 1120m and with Advanced Sensor Module it should be 1200m.

The only thing I am not sure of, is if the maths goes 800 + 25% = 1000 + 15% = 1150m. I don't think this is how it works but not 100% sure. This would make the top end range with BAP + ASM 1250m.

Even though I've switched to SRM6's for my Treb I've kept both the BAP and the module. The increased sensor range is still very helpful for deciding tactics if I can get to a decent scout point for a few minutes for a good look around.

[Swift Idiot]

Unless they've changed anything, BAP stacks with sensor/adv sensors, as well as target/adv target capture, but not with the enemy paperdoll module. Could be reversed about those last two, but I know it stacks with the sensor range mods out to 1200m. The math is 25% + 25% = 50%, 50% of 800 is 400, 800+400 = 1200. Or just 150% times 800. MATHS~<3. Scouting and LRM boating is what the BAP+Sensor module combo were made for. Match made in heaven if y'ask me.

[Denno]

I put bap in some of my fattys lately, + adv sensor range, due to the desire to see things on maps like River Sh*tty Night and Frozen during the storm.

Also: It would be nice to see a loadouts sensor range (and strength?) on the left info box in the mechlab.

[Roadbeer]

Thanks.
The modules are still pretty weaksauce, but since they stack, not too terribad.

[Wintersdark]

Wait, do we know conclusively if they do, or do not, stack specifically with Target Information Gathering?

I know they stack with the range and such, but the Target Info is what I'm after.

[FrostCollar]

Roadbeer, on 27 April 2013 - 07:25 AM, said:

Thanks.
The modules are still pretty weaksauce, but since they stack, not too terribad.

Last I checked, the sensor ones don't stack with Sensor Range against ECM'd mechs, which is the one reason I'd most consider taking a BAP. I use smaller mechs generally - why use up 1.5 tons and 2 crit slots when I can get the lion's share of the effects for free?

BAP really needs a buff.

[Roadbeer]

All of IW needs a buff.

You and I have talked about this before. I get it that ECM is the core of the IW pillar at this point. but they've only bricked in that column about 1/3 of the way, using very tiny, almost insignificant bricks.

[xDeityx]

Wintersdark, on 27 April 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

Wait, do we know conclusively if they do, or do not, stack specifically with Target Information Gathering?

I know they stack with the range and such, but the Target Info is what I'm after.

We do not. Nobody has posted anything but anecdotal evidence. How do you even know for a fact that they stack with range and your teammate wasn't spotting the target 'mech for you?

Until you test it for yourself or see screenshots showing proof, I wouldn't make up my mind either way.

[Budor]

Posted by Thomas Dziegielewski on 26 March 2013

I had to check code to make sure. My bad, I was given bad info.

BAP stacks with sensor module for targeting range.
BAP does not help against ECM. The targeting band you get is from the sensor range module. Adv. Sensor range makes the band even bigger.

Sorry for the confusion.

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2133932

[Shinikaru]

Roadbeer, on 25 April 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

Do the modules that mimic BAP stack with BAP?

I've heard conflicting things about this and I can't seem to find an official post that explains it

Simple answer is Yes, they stack. I can't think of anything in that game that Doesn't stack. It's all additive as far as game mechanics.

And the game also has a top down hierarchy for determining effectiveness. Simple tree programming.

same post (older) that goes into more detail:

http://mwomercs.com/...e-pilot-module/

Edited by Shinikaru, 29 April 2013 - 11:13 AM.