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[Bishop Steiner]

I am aware it has been asked before, but I can't really fathom the "why" of this exclusion. They have the net code for the DRG-1N in place, and many variants, including the ultra AC/5 update that was largely phased out to make way for the Grand Dragon.

They don't use ANY tech that is not already in use in the game (the reasoning they took so long for the CN-9D), and would make a lot of players pretty happy, I think. It's not like they would have to invest any great amount of time or effort to make it happen.

I know I am still waiting for them to finally admit the PPC is broken, and fix it (sorry it ain't the heat that is the issue.. it's the totally inconsistent damage), but would gladly mod one to use a large pulse laser or something in the meantime. Seriously.... 97 kph, heavily armored bowling bowl with an ERPPC, LRM10 and 3 medium lasers? Who wouldn't want one?

Even the old 3025 version would be pretty fun.

[HarlekinEO]

There are lots of Mechs, which would be nice to be ingame. Like Zeus, or a Hero Awesome with projectile mount and the right Awesome look (since ingame graphik design looks way off, originally his shoulders are round conical and no bricks)...

Edited by HarlekinEO, 16 November 2012 - 01:56 AM.

[Strum Wealh]

I'd like to know the how and why behind the Grand Dragon seeming to be considered a separate 'Mech chassis from the Dragon.

At least with the Marauder family and the Cataphract/Caesar combo, it is much more clear that they are related-but-not-the-same chassis.
The DRG-1G (along with its successors, including the -5K), on the other hand, is essentially to the Dragon what the CN9-AL is to the Centurion; the latter is not considered a separate 'Mech from its parent design...

[RedHairDave]

HarlekinEO, on 16 November 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

There are lots of Mechs, which would be nice to be ingame. Like Zeus, or a Hero Awesome with projectile mount and the right Awesome look (since ingame graphik design looks way off, originally his shoulders are round conical and no bricks)...

there will never be a ballistic awesome, nor should there be. it is missile and energy only. as it should be. but fear not, there are going to be 80 ton mechs with ballistics.

[Curon Hifor]

RedHairDave, on 16 November 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

there will never be a ballistic awesome, nor should there be. it is missile and energy only. as it should be. but fear not, there are going to be 80 ton mechs with ballistics.

A Ballistic Awesome is called a Mauler...

[Aesaar]

HarlekinEO, on 16 November 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

...and the right Awesome look (since ingame graphik design looks way off, originally his shoulders are round conical and no bricks)...

It's almost as though they decided to redesign and modernise the mech designs...

[Bishop Steiner]

HarlekinEO, on 16 November 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

There are lots of Mechs, which would be nice to be ingame. Like Zeus, or a Hero Awesome with projectile mount and the right Awesome look (since ingame graphik design looks way off, originally his shoulders are round conical and no bricks)...

except that the Grand Dragon MECH is already in game. It is a DRG-1N with an energy H-point in the right arm, an extra medium laser and a bigger engine. DHS and CASE are readily available, and the "DRAGON" it self has not been produced in 9 years, with ALL Combine factories swapping to Grand Dragon production in 3040. Yet instead we get the "Field Kit" upgrade to the old one.

[Bishop Steiner]

RedHairDave, on 16 November 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

there will never be a ballistic awesome, nor should there be. it is missile and energy only. as it should be. but fear not, there are going to be 80 ton mechs with ballistics.

Victor
Zeus
Hatamoto-Ku

all handle the chore quite well, as you said, instead of inventing fictitious versions of the Mechs, all I am asking for is that they continue to expand the already existing Mech Tree.

Of Course, it is possible that the next "Hero" Mech is Hohiro Kurita and his Grand Dragon. In which case, I just hope they don't kill off an existing variant. Or make G-Dragons an MC only affair, since they are EXTREMELY COMMON in the DCMS.

[General Taskeen]

I don't see anything wrong with the Grand Dragon being added. It is purely energy/missile based, except for 1 of its custom variants. The main issue is that most of the variants for it use future tech not available in game yet, so a full line of 3 or more would not exist for some time. The model might need to be changed slightly so it at least looks like an upgraded design.

And the comment about the DRG-1N is false. The energy hard point is in the left arm. It is the stock prime variant with an AC/5 in the right arm.

Edited by General Taskeen, 16 November 2012 - 10:35 AM.

[Imagine Dragons]

I wonder if its really just on the back burner for now, or they are deciding whether or not the Grand Dragon should be a seperate chasis or another variant.

Heck, it might be a variant of the dragon that you can ONLY BUY with LP... from the DC none the less...

Also, yeah, some of the variants have C3 and FedCom civil war tech on them...

EDIT:

Wait a second, its fairly obvious.

It would be a Heavy that can easily pass the 100 km/h mark. I don't think they want to introduce Heavy mechs like that quite yet.

Edited by XenomorphZZ, 16 November 2012 - 10:45 AM.

[Mechteric]

Maybe the Grand Dragon could end up being a Hero Mech of some kind

from sarna:

DRG-1G Grand Dragon - Emory - His Dragon receiving among the earliest new-tech "Grand" upgrades in the lead-up to the War of 3039, Sorenson's Sabres member Emory Wilk's Grand Dragon was rebuilt with less refined bulkier Endo Steel chassis and 3039 era double strength heat sinks, retaining only the Medium Laser and carrying a prototype ER Large Laser and Telos DecaCluster LRM-15 with two tons of reloads as its main weapons.

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 16 November 2012 - 10:41 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

General Taskeen, on 16 November 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

I don't see anything wrong with the Grand Dragon being added. It is purely energy/missile based, except for 1 of its custom variants. The main issue is that most of the variants for it use future tech not available in game yet, so a full line of 3 or more would not exist for some time. The model might need to be changed slightly so it at least looks like an upgraded design.

And the comment about the DRG-1N is false. The energy hard point is in the left arm. It is the stock prime variant with an AC/5 in the right arm.

Um, no one ever said that anything (that I see) about the DRG-having an energy hardpoint in the right arm. I did, however say that the only thing they needed was to add one, since the Grand Dragon is STILL a souped up DRG-1N.

Also, the DRG-1G and the DRG-5K which are the two versions in existence in 3049, use only tech available in the game right now. The 1G uses NO advance level 2 technology, and the 5K only uses ER PPC, XL Engine, CASE, and DHS. The Double Heat Sinks were the last thing needed to make this happen. The 1G has been available since 3024, and produced exclusively since 3040, and the 5K should be available sometime in 3050. Admittedly, the 1G would not allow the use of the 360XL engine with current rules, but one could refit them quite well, otherwise.

[General Taskeen]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 November 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

Um, no one ever said that anything (that I see) about the DRG-having an energy hardpoint in the right arm.

Making contradictory posts, so I'll point you to your own words:

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except that the Grand Dragon MECH is already in game. It is a DRG-1N with an energy H-point in the right arm, an extra medium laser and a bigger engine.

I think you meant the left arm, since that is where the laser is.

[Sulf]

HarlekinEO, on 16 November 2012 - 01:56 AM, said:

the right Awesome look (since ingame graphik design looks way off, originally his shoulders are round conical and no bricks)...

I see you enjoy ugly, amateur designs over profession quality kick-*** ones. :I

[Bishop Steiner]

General Taskeen, on 16 November 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

Making contradictory posts, so I'll point you to your own words:



I think you meant the left arm, since that is where the laser is.

No, it means eactly what I said.

It IS the same basic build as a DRG-iN, just with an energy point in the right arm, where there is currently a ballistic. Did not think I needed to spell it out in that finite of detail.

As in, they don't have to write any special code, come up with a new Flying Debris design.. the Mech itself is right there, in front of us all. It just needs to have an energy point in the right arm, and it becomes a Grand Dragon.

[Imagine Dragons]

We already have Grand Dragons, I mean when did the Dragons have an actual joints in the right arm?

Edited by XenomorphZZ, 16 November 2012 - 07:19 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

XenomorphZZ, on 16 November 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

We already have Grand Dragons, I mean when did the Dragons have an actual joints in the right arm?

Aside from the MC only Flame, which Dragon has a 360XL Standard, and an ER PPC in the right arm? OK, so no, we DONT have a grand dragon.

[Victor Morson]

I'm shocked it wasn't a launch variant!

[Mattiator]

Please more Dragons for me to blow C-bills on. Because owning five of the things simply has not sated my lust for cavalry heavies.

[Karl Streiger]

You can make theoretically the Flame and the DRG-C1 into a Grand Dragon because all you need are 4 energy and 1 missile slot.
But hasn't got the 5K Artemis on its launcher?