21 replies to this topic

[JSArrakis]

Why hasnt there been an implementation of MC gifting in MWO? I would like to buy mech bays for some of my less wealthy compatriots, but I cant do that without going into their account which is a clear violation of TOS.

PGI, you want to make more money? Allow gifting of MC, so those of us that have the means can help out the ones that do not have the means. Which in turn gets more people playing the game more often because they can finally have some more variety.

[Sephlock]

Then as soon as a free MC event was announced, everyone would make 10000000000000 additional accounts and PGI would go under.

[M4NTiC0R3X]

Sephlock, on 30 April 2013 - 06:18 AM, said:

Then as soon as a free MC event was announced, everyone would make 10000000000000 additional accounts and PGI would go under.

So they can have a cadet ELO rating and then transfer funds to parent account. PGI has been very stern about not allowing any account transactions, period, to keep a fair environment.

A very easy solutions would be to give your friends the cash.. or use your card. Is that not gifting?

Edited by M4NTiC0R3X, 30 April 2013 - 06:45 AM.

[AlmightyAeng]

Has PGI ever listed a 'free MC' event? Seems counter-productive to their current culture.

"Ya know that currency we sell people to make money that we make them use to buy everything? Yeah, we're gonna give some away for free to see if we can get them to buy more."

What?

The only negatives I see to currency transfer involves items and c-bills...THAT would allow people to abuse multiple accounts.
Transferring the currency we have to PAY for? Why would PGI care? They make money on it...period.

[Hotthedd]

If you are dying to give your friends money, get them to give you their address, and you can mail them a check. There is no potential for abuse with that system.

[Chief 117]

The second this would be implemented every founder would be bombarded with scam messages and hacking attempts

Edited by Chief 117, 30 April 2013 - 10:39 AM.

[JSArrakis]

Im mostly wanting to create a crowd funded system that can set up with a dummy account. That way we can use that account to transfer funds to anyone in my Corp. We plan on having inner-Corp tournament one on ones, something akin to Solaris, where the prize might be something like a Hero Mech or MC for special Corp Hero colors palettes etc. I would like to keep as much personal information out of the process as possible, and thats not possible with sending checks.

Hotthedd, on 30 April 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

If you are dying to give your friends money, get them to give you their address, and you can mail them a check. There is no potential for abuse with that system.

Also, note there is potential abuse against my checking account as checks have my account number and routing number on them. Considering I work for a Bankruptcy law office, I know quite a bit about fraud. And it would be less damaging to have an internal PGI made system.

[Chief 117]

JSArrakis, on 30 April 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

Also, note there is potential abuse against my checking account as checks have my account number and routing number on them. Considering I work for a Bankruptcy law office, I know quite a bit about fraud. And it would be less damaging to have an internal PGI made system.

Just tell them all to create a pay-pal account and send them the money over there.

[JSArrakis]

Chief 117, on 30 April 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

Just tell them all to create a pay-pal account and send them the money over there.

Ive actually thought about this, but its more that I would have to send them say 5 - 10 dollars worth of MC vs just sending them the 300 MC for a single mechbay. While I guess it isnt TOO much of a hassle to do that, I would still like to give them only exactly what they require so there is no wastage.

Also, theres the caveat that I potentially have to tell my Corp of 200+ people that they all have to get paypal accounts to benefit. This has the potential to turn into a logistical nightmare something akin to herding cats.

Also Also, the funding for the main paypal account is going to be a crowd funded endeavor. So if by chance that I do a paypal to paypal transfer, the recipient has the potential to not even spend that money on MWO. Which in turn leaves a lack of trust for the people putting money into the crowd funding which would lead to it's collapse.

There are just so many factors that an in game MC transfer would alleviate.

Edited by JSArrakis, 01 May 2013 - 05:56 AM.

[Kdogg788]

Just use PayPal. It's easy, secure, and unrelated to the game, so you won't damage the integrity of the game economy or player accounts with needless MC or money transfer in game.

-k

[Chief 117]

JSArrakis, on 01 May 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

There are just so many factors that an in game MC transfer would alleviate.

And a whole lot new problems that it would bring

[Lee Ving]

JSArrakis, on 01 May 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

Also, theres the caveat that I potentially have to tell my Corp of 200+ people that they all have to get paypal accounts to benefit. This has the potential to turn into a logistical nightmare something akin to herding cats.

You think people aren't going to sign up once you're announcing you're giving away free money?

Can you send me some money seeds in the mail while you're at it?

[jakucha]

Only if you can only gift it when buying it with money, otherwise it'll be abused by gold farmers.

[LiminalSpace]

You don't need to do in-game *transfer* of MC. Just make it easy for me to buy MC and assign it to an arbitrary account. No transfer. If you buy them MC, it's theirs and no one else's.

[JSArrakis]

LiminalSpace, on 01 May 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

You don't need to do in-game *transfer* of MC. Just make it easy for me to buy MC and assign it to an arbitrary account. No transfer. If you buy them MC, it's theirs and no one else's.

This would definitely work. I mean it would still potentially be giving them more MC than I originally wanted to, BUT, at least I know the money would undeniably be used toward MC.

jakucha, on 01 May 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Only if you can only gift it when buying it with money, otherwise it'll be abused by gold farmers.

You can only buy MC with money.

[PaintedWolf]

Too easily abused. Why not just give people real-life money? I notice that is ALWAYS the last solution to the question of poverty.

"How about we build a Library!?"

"How about we build a Hospital?!"

"How about we build a Shelter?!"

"How about we just give the Poor People the Money?"

All of a sudden an uproar on how they will "waste it" on "drugs" and alcohol, as if others do not have drugs proscribed and never ever drink. In the end, they just consider the poor people too stupid or impulsive to manage their own money.

So yeah, Gifting MC can create problems, if you are really that committed, why not just give the person real life money?

Edited by PaintedWolf, 02 May 2013 - 11:09 AM.

[Hotthedd]

JSArrakis, on 30 April 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

Im mostly wanting to create a crowd funded system that can set up with a dummy account. That way we can use that account to transfer funds to anyone in my Corp. We plan on having inner-Corp tournament one on ones, something akin to Solaris, where the prize might be something like a Hero Mech or MC for special Corp Hero colors palettes etc. I would like to keep as much personal information out of the process as possible, and thats not possible with sending checks.



Also, note there is potential abuse against my checking account as checks have my account number and routing number on them. Considering I work for a Bankruptcy law office, I know quite a bit about fraud. And it would be less damaging to have an internal PGI made system.

I assumed you would KNOW the person you are sending money (otherwise it is JUST a gold farming scheme), but as others have posted, there are other ways to give your friends money.

[JSArrakis]

Ummm... Im starting to think you people have no vision really. I mean have you heard of EVE? Do you know about PLEX? I want the same basic concept.

[Kdogg788]

I still see no reasonable, viable reason to implement MC gifting. A little inconvienence for you transfering money or whatever else you have to do vs. wasting resources designing this into the game and/or allowing exploiters the chance to dream up some way of taking advantage of the system.

You have to admit though that the intent of your thread started out as a charity gift giving to "the ones that do not have the means," to a way of giving gifts to smalltime inter regiment contests. Not to sound like a Mech Romney or whatever the newest catch phrase is (and perhaps I'm in a mood because I just had to pay a good size car repair bill), but:

A. Premium and mech bays are not that expensive. If you can't afford 5 or 10 dollars for some bays or premium days, then maybe you should rethink your spending habits. A fast food lunch, a couple coffees etc. skipped can fund this for you. If it's still too much for your budget or you don't think it's worth it for whatever reason, then maybe the game is not for you and you might be best served with a free account.

B. MC Gifting limitations only affect you and your competition winner in the case of a company tournement, not every single member. If everyone wants to get Paypal accounts, that helps, and most people could benefit from having one as Paypal is compatible with many online retailers and ebay sellers.

In short, I would be extremely surprised to see any movement on the part of PGI towards in game transfers of MC or anything else between accounts.

-k

[JSArrakis]

Kdogg788, on 03 May 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

I still see no reasonable, viable reason to implement MC gifting. A little inconvienence for you transfering money or whatever else you have to do vs. wasting resources designing this into the game and/or allowing exploiters the chance to dream up some way of taking advantage of the system.

You have to admit though that the intent of your thread started out as a charity gift giving to "the ones that do not have the means," to a way of giving gifts to smalltime inter regiment contests. Not to sound like a Mech Romney or whatever the newest catch phrase is (and perhaps I'm in a mood because I just had to pay a good size car repair bill), but:

A. Premium and mech bays are not that expensive. If you can't afford 5 or 10 dollars for some bays or premium days, then maybe you should rethink your spending habits. A fast food lunch, a couple coffees etc. skipped can fund this for you. If it's still too much for your budget or you don't think it's worth it for whatever reason, then maybe the game is not for you and you might be best served with a free account.

B. MC Gifting limitations only affect you and your competition winner in the case of a company tournement, not every single member. If everyone wants to get Paypal accounts, that helps, and most people could benefit from having one as Paypal is compatible with many online retailers and ebay sellers.

In short, I would be extremely surprised to see any movement on the part of PGI towards in game transfers of MC or anything else between accounts.

-k

While I do agree with your take on the contest winner, and logically, youre right about this. However some people play free to play games for a reason. One of those reasons is that they might come from destitute situations and thank god their is an interesting fun game that they can play with their friends that doesnt cost them monthly. Some people are more disgusted with PGI than others and refuse to pay into it. Whatever their reasons, there are many other games with the ability to transfer bought currency, so I dont know what would be so hard in the implementation. If PGI truly wants a boost in funds and wants to grow, they would consider this option.