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[deforce]

SOOOOOOOO much CHEESE, YUM, I lOVE CHEESE.

Seriously every person that gets owned and cries CHEESE.

I think MWO has drawn in quite a bit of people who are used to playing Mechwarrior single player only, or other single player PVE, where you can toggle difficulty modes.

Everything is NOT Cheese, there are players that are WAY better than you and that is reality. I get killed all the time, its not cheese, they are better. If your QQ about cheese, maybe its time you rethink your gaming habbits and head back single player games, where if you lose, ummm its just you, cuz i don't think you can cry OMG the AI is CHEEEEEESEEE OMG OMG

[Nostram]

When I was using my COM-2D... it was cheese... really... I felt bad for using it the way I was. When I move on to working on the RVN-3L I might just have to sign over my soul. Some builds really are cheese. That does not mean all players have a problem or complain about them, but I feel it appropriate to at least be honest with yourself about the build that you are running when you choose to do such. My COM-2D will not be seen for quite some time, I have four other Commandos needing experience and the 2D is thankfully finished for me XP wise. That makes me very happy as I did not overly enjoy playing it, excluding a few people with some very nice shooting skills that legged me when I was going 149kph with their quick AC/20 shots. They know who they are, my compliments to each and every one that did so while I was getting XP for that totally overpowered little mech.

[verybad]

There's a difference between better and OP. It's relatively easy to tell when you're in a Jenner with 2 SSRM2 and 4 lasers faced off against a Raven 3L with a similiar loadout, but you can't fire your SSRM2s. Not even unguided.

I don't mind when I'm killed by someone that's obviously more skilled and performs better play.

I think most people can tell the difference between skill and OP builds. So stop trying to convince yourself that this game is perfectly balanced, it's not, it's a difficult thing to do with so many variables, but there are certain things that are obviously not quite right.

Edited by verybad, 03 March 2013 - 05:40 PM.

[Z0MBIE Y0SHI]

[Moonsavage]

Piloting a less-able mech and making it work shows skill.

Piloting one of these cheesers is okay, unless you think it equates to personal skill.
SRM Boats
SSRM Boats
ECM Light Mechs*
150kph Light Mechs*
Splatcats
Jump-Snipers

* No falling or collision consequences is broken atm.

[deforce]

verybad, on 03 March 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

There's a difference between better and OP. It's relatively easy to tell when you're in a Jenner with 2 SSRM2 and 4 lasers faced off against a Raven 3L with a similiar loadout, but you can't fire your SSRM2s. Not even unguided.

I don't mind when I'm killed by someone that's obviously more skilled and performs better play.

I think most people can tell the difference between skill and OP builds. So stop trying to convince yourself that this game is perfectly balanced, it's not, it's a difficult thing to due with so many variables, but there are certain things that are obviously not quite right.

its not balanced by any means, but the most imbalaced factor in this game is clearly peoples skill. and rather than admit it, people are in denial and cry cheese. a lot of players that run a "cheese build"(what isnt cheese these days tho) and rack up 1000+ damage and 6+ kills, im pretty sure its not JUST the builid, they got skill. You put them in a avg mech and they will still wreck you.

[LegoPirate]

deforce, on 03 March 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

SOOOOOOOO much CHEESE, YUM, I lOVE CHEESE.

Seriously every person that gets owned and cries CHEESE.

I think MWO has drawn in quite a bit of people who are used to playing Mechwarrior single player only, or other single player PVE, where you can toggle difficulty modes.

Everything is NOT Cheese, there are players that are WAY better than you and that is reality. I get killed all the time, its not cheese, they are better. If your QQ about cheese, maybe its time you rethink your gaming habbits and head back single player games, where if you lose, ummm its just you, cuz i don't think you can cry OMG the AI is CHEEEEEESEEE OMG OMG

playing a 150 kph raven with ecm doesnt make you good. just saying.

[deforce]

Moonsavage, on 03 March 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

Piloting a less-able mech and making it work shows skill.

Piloting one of these cheesers is okay, unless you think it equates to personal skill.
SRM Boats
SSRM Boats
ECM Light Mechs*
150kph Light Mechs*
Splatcats
Jump-Snipers

* No falling or collision consequences is broken atm.

lawl, sounds like you sit in a LRM boat and get pooped on. so what do you recommend everyone take?

stalker with 2x lrm 20/2x srm 6/ 2LL/2ML/2flamers so you can say you have variety? when you take that and get pooped on, its not cheese, its you.

[Adrian Steel]

deforce, on 03 March 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

SOOOOOOOO much CHEESE, YUM, I lOVE CHEESE.

Seriously every person that gets owned and cries CHEESE.

I think MWO has drawn in quite a bit of people who are used to playing Mechwarrior single player only, or other single player PVE, where you can toggle difficulty modes.

Everything is NOT Cheese, there are players that are WAY better than you and that is reality. I get killed all the time, its not cheese, they are better. If your QQ about cheese, maybe its time you rethink your gaming habbits and head back single player games, where if you lose, ummm its just you, cuz i don't think you can cry OMG the AI is CHEEEEEESEEE OMG OMG

With an opening post like this, I was hoping you'd call in some of your frat-boy reinforcements to seal the deal.

[Infernus1986]

deforce, on 03 March 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

its not balanced by any means, but the most imbalaced factor in this game is clearly peoples skill. and rather than admit it, people are in denial and cry cheese. a lot of players that run a "cheese build"(what isnt cheese these days tho) and rack up 1000+ damage and 6+ kills, im pretty sure its not JUST the builid, they got skill. You put them in a avg mech and they will still wreck you.

Im confused you mention skill, but still run primarily cheese builds and then make a post to discredit people calling builds cheese.

If there not cheese why do you run them so often since you have the skills to do well in any mech.

[deforce]

LegoPirate, on 03 March 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

playing a 150 kph raven with ecm doesnt make you good. just saying.

people are go straight to saying raven 3-L is the most cheese, makes me beleive that they have aiming issues. The ONE and ONLY mech i will say that is currently broken is the A-1. Raven 3-L? lawl one shot, bye bye, ecm wont save you. With a well placed volley anything lighter than a stalker is one shottable, which i MAYYYY agree is slightly broken. 75% of the A-1's i see are missing thier shots and overheating tho. so yeah.

Infernus1986, on 03 March 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

Im confused you mention skill, but still run primarily cheese builds and then make a post to discredit people calling builds cheese.

If there not cheese why do you run them so often since you have the skills to do well in any mech.

sir, i cycle thru all 35 or so of my mechs and still maintain a 85% or so W/L. Good day. If you are refering to 8 mans, then yes most of the time the DC mandates, which mechs we take. But 4 mans, i cycle all my mechs.

Edited by deforce, 03 March 2013 - 05:50 PM.

[Coole]

deforce, on 03 March 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

SOOOOOOOO much CHEESE, YUM, I lOVE CHEESE.

Seriously every person that gets owned and cries CHEESE.

I think MWO has drawn in quite a bit of people who are used to playing Mechwarrior single player only, or other single player PVE, where you can toggle difficulty modes.

Everything is NOT Cheese, there are players that are WAY better than you and that is reality. I get killed all the time, its not cheese, they are better. If your QQ about cheese, maybe its time you rethink your gaming habbits and head back single player games, where if you lose, ummm its just you, cuz i don't think you can cry OMG the AI is CHEEEEEESEEE OMG OMG

You should see how much cheese talk there is in Starcraft.

[JohnoBurr]

You guys used 5 splatcats in your 8 man. Enough said.

[Moonsavage]

deforce, on 03 March 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

lawl, sounds like you sit in a LRM boat and get pooped on. so what do you recommend everyone take?

stalker with 2x lrm 20/2x srm 6/ 2LL/2ML/2flamers so you can say you have variety? when you take that and get pooped on, its not cheese, its you.

Nope, atm I am levelling my Death Knell, and playing my new Stock K2 and my Gauss / ERLL Atlas-D.
I also play my 4X Quad AC/5, which is definitely cheesy, but fun.

Look, mate - I play a 4 x SRM AWE-8R and a 6 x SRM CAT-A1 occasionally, but less so now, because I feel guilty for killing people in a couple of shots - that just ruined their game, and I'm not so callous to think they deserved it for not using an equally cheesy mech. do you understand?

[deforce]

Moonsavage, on 03 March 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

Nope, atm I am levelling my Death Knell, and playing my new Stock K2 and my Gauss / ERLL Atlas-D.
I also play my 4X Quad AC/5, which is definitely cheesy, but fun.

Look, mate - I play a 4 x SRM AWE-8R and a 6 x SRM CAT-A1 occasionally, but less so now, because I feel guilty for killing people in a couple of shots - that just ruined their game, and I'm not so callous to think they deserved it for not using an equally cheesy mech. do you understand?

and that was why ELO was created, which is broken by sticking a few REALLY good player and few REALLy bad players in the same drop. Both teams will have thier top players run around and wreak everything, leaving 5+ players on each side with less than 100 damage. i agree that is broken.

and no ANY AWESOME in any shape or form is not cheese.

[verybad]

deforce, on 03 March 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

its not balanced by any means, but the most imbalaced factor in this game is clearly peoples skill. and rather than admit it, people are in denial and cry cheese. a lot of players that run a "cheese build"(what isnt cheese these days tho) and rack up 1000+ damage and 6+ kills, im pretty sure its not JUST the builid, they got skill. You put them in a avg mech and they will still wreck you.

Sorry, but I don't agree. There are certainly people in this game that are very skilled, but there are also certain builds in this game that are ridiculously overpowered and lead to less diversity in content in the game being used, leading to a less interesting game.

[Moonsavage]

ELO probably averages out the values over the entire team - a 4-man premade needs some noobs in the team to balance against the opposing team. Provided the two teams are balanced it's at least better than the randomness before I guess.

Heheh, for some reason the SRM spread close up on an Awesome 8R is super focussed. Three volleys will core an Atlas every time.

[Jman5]

It happens in literally every competitive online game I have ever played and they are the reason "Learn 2 Play" was coined. You can't let them get to you because it's just how some people react to losing: deflecting blame away from themselves to protect their ego.

There is no solution until the community as a whole rejects this type of excuse and derides them until they stop saying it out loud.

Edited by Jman5, 03 March 2013 - 06:04 PM.

[deforce]

Jman5, on 03 March 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

It happens in literally every competitive online game I have ever played and they are the reason "Learn 2 Play" was coined. You can't let them get to you because it's just how some people react to losing: deflecting blame away from themselves to protect their ego.

There is no solution until the community as a whole rejects this type of excuse and derides them until they stop saying it out loud.

+1, exactly my point.

its happened in all of the FPS/MMO and other games ive played. when competitive teams get rolled, they accept it and learn. they copy and reinvent strats and builds, not go QQ what happened, lets try our same strats and builds and hope the best next time.

Edited by deforce, 03 March 2013 - 06:08 PM.

[Infernus1986]

deforce, on 03 March 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

sir, i cycle thru all 35 or so of my mechs and still maintain a 85% or so W/L. Good day. If you are refering to 8 mans, then yes most of the time the DC mandates, which mechs we take. But 4 mans, i cycle all my mechs.

So let me get this straight your saying cheese is best served by the pound, because stacking certain mechs/builds in 8 man's isnt a clear indication of just how cheese they really are.

You don't run your "not cheese" builds a lot in 4 mans
That doesn't make the other good players that are any less effective.