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[ProtoformX]

The Misery is an interesting Stalker; that's for sure. I'm struggling with whether or not I want to buy one. I need it to be as good as the 3F, if not better, to justify the purchase. The 3F being the generally accepted go-to Stalker because of the hard-points and torso twist quirk.

The Misery gets a ballistic hard-point, and loses a bunch of other hard-points Also, the torso twist is nothing special. So would you say that the Misery is the superior or the inferior of the two models?

Obviously the two 'Mechs are going to excel in different areas; however, I'm looking for an overall gauge of which 'Mech tends to be better.

[Kyynele]

My other Stalkers have worse than 2.0 KDR. :/

I'd personally consider 3F the better one, but also position Misery as one of the best mechs I have - and clearly above the other Stalkers. Misery's ability to deal serious damage with the Gauss even when it's running very hot is something other Stalker models can't do.

Just my opinion. I'm no great player.

[Deathlike]

It's "just another Stalker".

[SerpentrasD]

5S > every other stalker
Na I don't think that this or that Stalker is better as the other Stalker. But because I only run a stalker who can mount 2xams 2x 2 slot missiles and 4x lazors it is not acceptable.

[Ser Barristan]

Phillip J. Fry pilots his superior, yet inferior mech.

[Skyfaller]

ProtoformX, on 09 May 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

The Misery is an interesting Stalker; that's for sure. I'm struggling with whether or not I want to buy one. I need it to be as good as the 3F, if not better, to justify the purchase. The 3F being the generally accepted go-to Stalker because of the hard-points and torso twist quirk.

The Misery gets a ballistic hard-point, and loses a bunch of other hard-points Also, the torso twist is nothing special. So would you say that the Misery is the superior or the inferior of the two models?

Obviously the two 'Mechs are going to excel in different areas; however, I'm looking for an overall gauge of which 'Mech tends to be better.

I drive the 5S as my main ride. Its a 3F that sacrificed the torso twist for 2 AMS. A good tradeoff in my view since I have no problem with a limited torso twist.

The Misery is without a doubt the most 'brawler' and 'sniper' of the bunch. 4 PPCs and a Gauss and its a sniper like no other. Especially if you macro in the exact timing so the PPCs and gauss impact at the same time.

As a brawler its just plain nasty. AC20 with 3 large pulsers (or LL's) and an SRM6.. thats nearly 70 damage in an alpha hit. Ive seen Misery's one shot atlases from behind with that.

[thebman]

For my style of play the misery is by far the best stalker.

3 LL
AC20
SSRM2
STD 295
endosteel
15 double heatsinks
near max armor
and i never overheat and shut down which is the stalker trademark

[Gallowglas]

I get better KDR in the 5M and 3F, but Misery doesn't lose much to those. It's definitely a decent mech and slightly more versatile even if not more powerful.

[NRP]

It's not really any better or worse than the other stalkers imo. The ballistic is cool and a nice change from the typical stalker builds. I currently run a STD310, 4 ML, LPL, AC20 build. It's pretty effective at <300m. Alternatively, you can make a Gauss + PPC sniper build too, although it's a bit fragile with the "Gauss grenade" in your side torso.

If you're a Stalker fan, I do think you should have one in your mech bay, but it may not be your favorite STK. Personally, I've had the most success with 5-6 LL stalker builds. But the Misery is still pretty satisfying to use.

[Shadowsword8]

I, too, will go with the "just different" choice. Because, unlike 95% of the teammates I'm plagued with when puging, I know how to use cover effectively, which mean that I only really use the 4 energy slots on the arms. The rest of the mech is crammed full of DHS.

The Stalker has a huge advantage when it comes to Ridge fighting, so use it to the fullest.

[Zordicron]

I will confirm the best play I have seen so far is Misery with AC20 and longer range energy weapons. Keeps some good longer range like other stalkers, but adds the big hurt in a brawl, other stalkers cant do that without a ton of heat. I will buy one, when the HUD bug is fixed. until; then no MC from me.

[Asmosis]

I prefer the 5M, it allows the max DHS due to making use of CT, 4 DHS in each side torso and 2 in each arm.

Misery could probably work well with 4xLL in arms, ac20+ML+srm6 for brawling if that fits with a std 250 engine. I'd view gauss as a liability as its pretty easy to target the side torso's.

Edited by Asmosis, 09 May 2013 - 09:19 PM.

[Ralgas]

Back in my WoW-WOLK days, i watched a dk kill most of the cookie cutter builds on the top of the world dmg charts with what everyone in min-maxing at the time considered a crap/impossible to work build.

It's not about what the mech can do, it's about what you can do with the mech.

[Flyby215]

139 matches so far with my Misery; I've tried all sorts of variations but my favourite so far is just the stock weapons, DHS, bigger engine, shift the armour up front, Artemis. It works quite well.

[Escef]

Looking at the hard points on Misery makes me think you'd probably be better off with a Highlander.

[DC1]

I voted inferior. The reasoning is simple. While I love the concept. The hard-points are worse. You drop 3 missile hard points for one ballistic. What a horrible waste. I recommend buying an atlas instead.

Edited by DC1, 10 May 2013 - 11:59 AM.

[Herodes]

The lack of missiles makes it inferior to the other Stalkers IMHO, but the ballistic slot makes it very fun to play if you are a Stalker pilot.

I run:

310 Std Engine for 59kph speed (without speed tweak)
1 AC20 + 4 tons ammo
5 ML
1 SRM6 + Artemis + 1 ton ammo
Beagle Active Probe
DHS and Endo Steel, 0 slots free

The advantage is that it is very fast for a fat brawler, the problem is that it packs less punch and armor than the direct competitors.

It is an interesting Mech and fun to play but no way P2W, that is just wrong. There are better brawler builds and better sniper builds, no need to cry foul.

I suspect the big protruding thingie it has invokes some kind of "envy" from those who don't own one ...

[UBCslayer]

I`ve ran some tests to determine what the exact differences are between the variants in terms of maneuverability. For the purposes of this test, both mechs were running 310 standard engines:

Turn Time = time it takes to complete one complete 360 degree turn while moving at top speed.
Acceleration Time = time it takes to go from zero to full speed (65 KPH).

Stalker 3-F

Max Speed: 65 KPH
Max Torso Twist: 95 degrees
Turn Time: 10.8 seconds
Acceleration Time: 3.5 seconds

Stalker Misery

Max Speed: 65 KPH
Max Torso Twist: 85 degrees
Turn Time: 9.8 seconds (10% faster than the 3-F)
Acceleration Time: 3.1 Seconds (10% faster than the 3-F)

As you can see there were no real surprises with my results... same values as PGI stated in the patch notes. So which variant is superior? The answer, as usual, depends on your play style. Personally I prefer the Misery because it does a better job at it's intented role: long distance direct fire support. I can bring it's 4 arm mounted PPC's to bear just over the top of a ridge, do a quick stop, move to a new position relatively quiclkly and get another alpha off.

[Mandarax]

I've done a bit of playing around with it and have met with some good success armed with 2x ER PPCs, an AC20 and an LL in CT for zombie mode. Three tons of ammo, 18 dbl heatsinks, std 255 engine. I don't have that much alpha compared to other designs, but in a protracted fight, I can rack up the damage numbers in a real hurry. Alternating fire with the ER PPCs I can get off a bunch of shots before heat becomes dangerous, and up close the AC20 is... Well, it's an AC20. Fun!

[SgtMagor]

from a non Stalker pilots view, the Stalker in general is a tough zombie mech, if I'm in my HM or DC I stay as far away as possible because 9x out of 10 my mech is critical or dead if I go 1 on 1 with a Stalker. Salute! to the baddest mech in MWO. been eyeing a 3F for a while