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[Flak Kannon]

IceSerpent, on 15 May 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

You will have to do much better than this in order for people to take you seriously. Why don't you begin with elaborating on how Misery (65 degree torso twist, comes with a ballistic hardpoint in a Stalker's most vulnerable location) is better than 3F (85 degree torso twist, symmetrical hardpoints) and then give us some details on how IM is better than, let's say, 3D (which happens to have JJs and trades 1 ballistic hardpoint for an energy one).

No, I will not have to do better. It's my opinion.

The bottom line is this.

The 3 Ultra Auto cannon, 3 ML Ilya is the best offensive loadout Cataphract. I've played many, many, many hundreds of rounds in all the Cataphract variants, and nothing kills faster than the above Ilya.

The AC/20, 4 LL Misery on hot maps kills faster. Perhaps you can get better damage or killing power on a 6 Iaser hardpoint Stalker on cold maps. But that AC20 is brutal. 4xSRM6 Artemis at 50 meters is better, but at more critical slots for the missles and ammo and less for the lasers most important ally, the double heat sink... its a trade off for sure. AC20 don't generate much heat.


Misery is 'better', and the Ilya is THE best Heavy in game right now.

And this is my opinion.

All your torso twist nonsense, weapon convergence, and weapon symetry, jumps jets.. etc.. are just excuses or reasons that really do not change a battlemechs true damage profile. If its in range, a good pilot will hit it, regardless of the above mentioned variables.

That's why I advocate for a weapon such as a UAC5, not easy to use well, but when used well is very, very strong.

Edited by Flak Kannon, 16 May 2013 - 01:05 PM.

[Svalfangr]

Flak Kannon, on 16 May 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

No, I will not have to do better. It's my opinion.

The bottom line is this.

The 3 Ultra Auto cannon, 3 ML Ilya is the best offensive loadout Cataphract. I've played many, many hundreds of rounds in all the Cataphracts, and nothing kills faster.

The AC/20, 4 LL Misery on Hot maps kills faster.Perhaps you can get better damage of killing power on a 6 Iaser hardpoint Stalker on cold maps...but I could careless that you are talking about torso twist and whatnot.

Misery is 'better', and the Ilya is THE best Heavy in game right now.

And this is my OPINION.

would you both kindly NOT derail my thread with a petty ******* contest?

thanks.

[IceSerpent]

Flak Kannon, on 16 May 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

No, I will not have to do better. It's my opinion.

The bottom line is this.

The 3 Ultra Auto cannon, 3 ML Ilya is the best offensive loadout Cataphract. I've played many, many, many hundreds of rounds in all the Cataphract variants, and nothing kills faster than the above Ilya.

The AC/20, 4 LL Misery on hot maps kills faster. Perhaps you can get better damage or killing power on a 6 Iaser hardpoint Stalker on cold maps. But that AC20 is brutal. 4xSRM6 Artemis at 50 meters is better, but at more critical slots for the missles and ammo and less for the lasers most important ally, the double heat sink... its a trade off for sure. AC20 don't generate much heat.


Misery is 'better', and the Ilya is THE best Heavy in game right now.

And this is my opinion.

All your torso twist nonsense, weapon convergence, and weapon symetry, jumps jets.. etc.. are just excuses or reasons that really do not change a battlemechs true damage profile. If its in range, a good pilot will hit it, regardless of the above mentioned variables.

That's why I advocate for a weapon such as a UAC5, not easy to use well, but when used well is very, very strong.

I absolutely love when people present their opinion as a universal truth and dismiss any objections as "nonsense".

The actual bottom line (not an opinion, but cold fact) is that the wider your torso twist - the better off you are, the higher ballistic mounts are placed on a "dakka dakka" build - the better, and build that has to stay on target for prolonged periods of time in order to be effective has a serious disadvantage when facing a jump sniper.

Edit:

Svalfangr, on 16 May 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

would you both kindly NOT derail my thread with a petty ******* contest?

There's nothing to derail - engine prices are fine as they are now. XL engines are supposed to be expensive. Besides, with most people sitting on tens (if not hundreds) of millions, it's not really that expensive.

Edited by IceSerpent, 17 May 2013 - 07:02 AM.

[IamSalvation]

Flak Kannon, on 15 May 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

This poster is just incorrect with that blanket statement.

The Ilya is better than any other Heavy mech, hero or non hero.

The Misery hero Stalker is better than any other Stalker.

I do not need you to believe me, test it your self. I have.

How is Ilya better than a 3D? It does not have Jumpjets.. who needs 3 UAC when you can have 3 PPC or 2PPC + Gauss? All WITH Jumpjets...

How is the Misery any better than the 3F? 3F has faster turning and better max twist range. Also i don´t feel like a Balistic Slot is doing any good an a Stalker... If you want to brawl Balastics are to heavy as you cant run XLs in a Brawler stalker. You are better of with 3F or 5M with SRM/SSRM + Lasers. If you want to snipe.. .take any Stalker with 4-6 PPCs.. no room for a Gauss there... and no need for it. On top of it all its in the Torso not in the Arms so you can´t hump a ridge while shooting it. And it will kill you if it gets a critical... really.. don´t see anything good in the Misery that other Stalkers can´t do.
3F is stil lthe King of Stalkers and 5M will be good again with Missile DMG fix. (Even now its fun to play with 5x SSRM^^)