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[Burakumin1979]

I read that they increased the speed of PPC's to 2000 m/s in a previous patch. Online with the fastest AC projectile.

What was the reasoning there? In MW2, a PPC was a slower moving giant ball of energy. Why has it turned into a pinpoint super fast sniping weapon and wouldn't reducing it to the speed of an AC/20 really lend itself to fixing the issue. 900 m/s is still really fast, and the wepaon would still be effective.

As far as I know, there is no lore mandating the speed of a PPC. It does dmaage through kinetic and thermal energy according to the lore description.

Other than a speed adjustment, just stop allowing heat sinks to increase the heat cap and increase the amount of heat Heat sinks dissipate. Seems like another very balanced fix.

[LordBraxton]

because everyone complained PPCs were subpar for months

So PGI buffed them so hard they are the primary competitive weapon

They reduced their heat, buffed their flight speed, and made them disrupt ECM pretty much all in one go.

And evidently PGI never admits to making mistakes so we have been stuck with a horrible meta for ages now

[Ngamok]

DrDXZ, on 16 May 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

the speed component is fine. Though i do feel that the gauss should be at least as fast as the AC2.

heat is what made them broken and heat is what will fix them again

Pretty sure as slow as they were before people won't snipe with them now if they still went 1200. Unless of course targets stand still or are really close.

[Keifomofutu]

Ngamok, on 16 May 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

Pretty sure as slow as they were before people won't snipe with them now if they still went 1200. Unless of course targets stand still or are really close.

Gauss has that speed and I can hit a moving target at long range fairly frequently with that.

[Lupus Aurelius]

It's an Energy Weapon, the bolt has no mass, it basically ball lightning. Lasers are speed of light (186000 miles/sec) it's only going to be marginally slower.

[Saltychipmunk]

when will people realise that balance does not equal logic.

the ppcs are insane right now , this is a fact , this not disputable . I dont care if they shoot lightning or farts .
they as they are now are too easy to aim and vastly out perform every other energy weapon especially when boating.

Edited by Saltychipmunk, 16 May 2013 - 06:45 PM.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

It was mostly for two things. First, PPCs should have super fast projectile speeds. They're directed energy particle cannons, not slug-throwing guns. Second, before HSR, this was the best way they had to let people actually hit things reliably.

Now that HSR for ballistics has begun to be implemented, the second reason is less necessary. I'd actually favor reducing PPC speed to something like 1600 m/s and ERPPC speed to 1800 m/s (numbers are just guesswork for now). This preserves the ERPPC as a more accurate weapon while slightly reducing its speed, and making the PPC slightly less accurate than its hotter cousin.

[Tennex]

Ngamok, on 16 May 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

Pretty sure as slow as they were before people won't snipe with them now if they still went 1200. Unless of course targets stand still or are really close.

what can you to do with PPCs if not snipe. the min range is 90 you sure as hell can't brawl :\

[SweetWarmIce]

The projectile speed was one of several changes in order to get people to use PPCs. For a long time they were considered sub-par (at least compared to the other weapons).

Now the double whammy of missile nerfs and HSR has led to PPCs becoming very popular. The pin-point behaviour of ballistics with the benefits of energy weapons. If they revert the heat back to it's original values that would give it the drawback it needs. I also agree with heat cap limits.

[trollocaustic]

Lower the AC/2 speed to less than PPC.
Why can a bullet go faster than ball lightning?

[Joseph Mallan]

Saltychipmunk, on 16 May 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

when will people realise that balance does not equal logic.

the ppcs are insane right now , this is a fact , this not disputable . I dont care if they shoot lightning or farts .
they as they are now are too easy to aim and vastly out perform every other energy weapon especially when boating.

No PPCs are fine...5-6 PPC are insane. There is a difference.

[Lupus Aurelius]

Saltychipmunk, on 16 May 2013 - 06:45 PM, said:

when will people realise that balance does not equal logic.

the ppcs are insane right now , this is a fact , this not disputable . I dont care if they shoot lightning or farts .
they as they are now are too easy to aim and vastly out perform every other energy weapon especially when boating.

It's not a fact, it's your SUBJECTIVE OPINION, and therefore DISPUTABLE. Your know what they say about opinions, they are like A**H****, everyone has one...

PS: Same speed as the AC2, no way an energy system is going to be slower than a BALListic. Slow the PPC, damn well better slow the AC2 as well.

Edited by Lupus Aurelius, 17 May 2013 - 07:13 AM.

[Keifomofutu]

trollocaustic, on 17 May 2013 - 06:19 AM, said:

Lower the AC/2 speed to less than PPC.
Why can a bullet go faster than ball lightning?

Why do we have a 90 meter range laser. Space magic.

[trollocaustic]

Diffusion.
Real Science.

[Atak Snajpera]

speed MUST BE reduced from insane 2000 to 1600
heat must be increased to previous levels

We all agree that PPC is almost perfect weapon!
No ammo required
Ultra fast projectile
Long range
good damage
Disables temporarily ECM
Does not produce a lot of heat

[Lupus Aurelius]

Atak Snajpera, on 17 May 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

speed MUST BE reduced from insane 2000 to 1600
heat must be increased to previous levels

We all agree that PPC is almost perfect weapon!
No ammo required
Ultra fast projectile
Long range
good damage
Disables temporarily ECM
Does not produce a lot of heat

No, there is no objective evidence to reduce speed of PPCs. It's just your opinion. I like them fine as they are, that's my opinion.

No, we do not all agree. It's only your OPINION. Energy weapon, speed should remain the same. Heat, it's at a level that now makes them usable, which is why people are using them. Gauss does more damage with no heat.

No, we do not all agree, so don't try to present your opinion as everyone's...

Edited by Lupus Aurelius, 17 May 2013 - 09:27 AM.

[trollocaustic]

Massive heat.
Minimal screen shake.
extremely low rate of fire.
produces craptons of heat.

on the other hand, gauss cannon

Nonexistant heat
Slaughtercannon
Inane range
Fast as hell to shoot.
Throws the other mech into 360s

[Joseph Mallan]

trollocaustic, on 17 May 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Massive heat.
Minimal screen shake.
extremely low rate of fire.
produces craptons of heat.

on the other hand, gauss cannon

Nonexistant heat
Slaughtercannon
Inane range
Fast as hell to shoot.
Throws the other mech into 360s

Ain't the Gauss Grand? Been the Mech buster Weapon for 25+ years.

[Atak Snajpera]

Lupus Aurelius, on 17 May 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

No, there is no objective evidence to reduce speed of PPCs. It's just your opinion. I like them fine as they are, that's my opinion.

No, we do not all agree. It's only your OPINION. Energy weapon, speed should remain the same. Heat, it's at a level that now makes them usable, which is why people are using them. Gauss does more damage with no heat.

No, we do not all agree, so don't try to present your opinion as everyone's...

PPCs are too good period. It is just a point and click weapon. BAM and 40 armour in single place is gone! (4 ER PPC stalker)

Edited by Atak Snajpera, 17 May 2013 - 09:39 AM.

[trollocaustic]

and 2 AC/20 jag doesn't do that?
Oh wait AC20 jag can do that without shutting down.

Give up while your only one lightyear behind.