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[Ryan1JZ]

Hi guys

It's been ages since I've played a MW game, started out with 31st century combat with the sidewinder 3d pro I got for christmas ages ago.

I only have a mac as I gave up pc gaming ages ago, but MWO has really piqued my interest.
SO, I dont have room for a desktop, a laptop is my only option.

I don't want to spend the world either, but came across this:

MSI GX60
Processor AMD A10-4600M quad-core APU @ 2.3 GHz (3.2 GHz max Turbo Core), 35 W TDP Platform AMD A70M (Hudson-D3/M3) Memory 8 GB Dual Channel DDR3 @ 1,600 MT/s Graphics AMD Radeon HD 7970M 2 GB GDDR5 w/AMD Enduro and Eyefinity Solid State Drive 2 x SanDisk SDSA5DK-064G 64 GB mSATA SSDs in RAID 0 Hard Drive Western Digital WD7500BPKT-22PK4 750 GB 7,200 RPM Hard Drive Optical Drive TSSTcorp (Samsung) SN-406AB Blu-ray Disc Combo Drive Card Reader SD (XC/HC) and MMC Display LG Philips LP156WF1-TLF3 15.6" FHD 16:9 Glossy LED-backlit LCD, 1920x1080 Wi-Fi Atheros AR1111 WB-EG AGN 2x2 HMC Wi-Fi/Bluetooth Adapter (802.11 b/g/n + BT v4.0) Ethernet Atheros Killer e2200 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller 10/100/1000 Mb/s Ethernet Audio Integrated Speakers w/Subwoofer, THX TruStudio Pro, and HDMI v1.4 Support Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit) Webcam Integrated Webcam / Microphone Security Kensington Security Slot Ports USB 3.0 (x 3), USB 2.0, Headphone, Mic, Audio In, Audio Out, HDMI v1.4, Mini DisplayPort, VGA Battery Removable 87 Wh AC Adapter 180 W Weight 7.7 lbs Dimensions 15.55" (Width) x 10.51" (Depth) x 2.16" (Height) Warranty Two Years Limited Price ~$1,200


I've been reading reviews and apparently the GFX card is great, but the CPU might be a bottleneck. I've read a few review sites with benchmarking tests and it seems to perform great for the price.
BUT I would like to ask the MWO community, do you think this laptop is suitable to play the game with maxed or high settings?? I will be playing with a proper mouse too please no comments on my mac, i love it

Or do you guys recommend something else?? I'd love to stick around the $1200 mark, and this lappy is available for $1200 with free shipping is Australia. Where I am currently located

Thanks guys

edit: ugh, sorry for the formatting of the specifications, the important parts are highlighted though

Edited by Ryan1JZ, 18 May 2013 - 01:08 AM.

[Catamount]

That laptop has a nice GPU, but the CPU is really lackluster, and not appropriate for high-end gaming.

I'll see what else I can find when I'm not on a mobile device.

[Badconduct]

Catamount, on 18 May 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

That laptop has a nice GPU, but the CPU is really lackluster, and not appropriate for high-end gaming.

I'll see what else I can find when I'm not on a mobile device.

It will run.

It's free, just download it.

[matux]

Yeah it should work

worst case scenario is that the laptop gos critical and causes a small nuclear explosion killing you, or not maybe....

[Catamount]

OP, the best I was able to find for machines -Australia has a lousy selection, frankly- was here:

http://www.affordabl...ndard-size.html

Scroll down to the "Metabox P151EM1", downgrade the CPU to an i5-3230M, keep the Geforce 670MX (obviously), "downgrade" the RAM to 8GB, and you'll be at $1255 ($1246 if you go 750GB HDD instead of 120GB SSD). That's with no OS, though, so be aware that to get it shipped with a copy of Windows it would be $1345. I realize that's about 10% overbudget, but the laptop you're looking at just doesn't have an adequate CPU (that's where they skimped to get the price). The 670MX will be a little slower, too, but an A6-4600M will bottleneck a 7970M so badly, that you wouldn't be able to take advantage of its performance anyways.

[M4NTiC0R3X]

No game is suitable for laptop play.

That build will not run MWO happily, video card aside. Critical damage, nuclear strike in 3.. 2..

Edited by M4NTiC0R3X, 18 May 2013 - 04:30 PM.

[SodaFizz]

I have a Acer Aspire 5755G i7-2.2(turbo to 3.1) ad 8 gb DDR3 and a Geforce 2gb GT540M. If I run it on low resolution and lowest graphic settings I can squeeze 35-45 fps...which is more than enough. Its a demanding game but even with the settings on low you dont miss much. Go for it and hopefully we see you on the field...

Cheers

Soda

[Ryan1JZ]

Catamount, on 18 May 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

OP, the best I was able to find for machines -Australia has a lousy selection, frankly- was here:

http://www.affordabl...ndard-size.html

Scroll down to the "Metabox P151EM1", downgrade the CPU to an i5-3230M, keep the Geforce 670MX (obviously), "downgrade" the RAM to 8GB, and you'll be at $1255 ($1246 if you go 750GB HDD instead of 120GB SSD). That's with no OS, though, so be aware that to get it shipped with a copy of Windows it would be $1345. I realize that's about 10% overbudget, but the laptop you're looking at just doesn't have an adequate CPU (that's where they skimped to get the price). The 670MX will be a little slower, too, but an A6-4600M will bottleneck a 7970M so badly, that you wouldn't be able to take advantage of its performance anyways.

Hmmm... How about, the GX60, is coming out with a [color=#000000]A10 5750 next month... ??[/color]

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The top-end quad-core A10-5750M is claimed to beat a laptop Core i7 by over 50 percent in terms of 3DMark performance, and even a dual-core A6-5350M is said to have a 20 percent advantage.[/color]]

thats from engadget...

edit: thank you for taking the time to have a look

M4NTiC0R3X, on 18 May 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

No game is suitable for laptop play.

That build will not run MWO happily, video card aside. Critical damage, nuclear strike in 3.. 2..

I wouldn't have thought MWO would be a CPU hog and that the GPU would be doing most of the work... guess I'm wrong

SodaFizz, on 18 May 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

I have a Acer Aspire 5755G i7-2.2(turbo to 3.1) ad 8 gb DDR3 and a Geforce 2gb GT540M. If I run it on low resolution and lowest graphic settings I can squeeze 35-45 fps...which is more than enough. Its a demanding game but even with the settings on low you dont miss much. Go for it and hopefully we see you on the field...

Cheers

Soda

I've been out of the loop for so long with PC hardware... your specs sound beastly but you can only run on low....

Might have to just wait a bit longer and pay a bit more, unless the A10 5750 (which will be the same price as the current GX60) makes it worthwhile.

Thank you for the responses so far

Edited by Ryan1JZ, 18 May 2013 - 07:17 PM.

[Patrick Wolf]

this game is a huge CPU hog, you have to have a top end CPU to get the high FPS on max settings, I mean like my 3570K bottlenecks my 680s, which honestly has never happened in any other game that i have played

I had a msi Gt780 back when the game was in closed beta, it was a i7 2630QM, a gtx 570M, 16GB of RAM, and a SSD. It ran the game on high settings fairly well, however it would reach super high temps, 100 degrees C or more with a cooling pad and fans maxed. And that was back in CB, im not sure how it would have faired now.

Im not sure about your situation, but i would highly highly recommend building a desktop, you can build quite a decent desktop rig for 1200 which will handle MWO well.

Edited by Patrick Wolf, 18 May 2013 - 07:41 PM.

[Ryan1JZ]

Patrick Wolf, on 18 May 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

this game is a huge CPU hog, you have to have a top end CPU to get the high FPS on max settings, I mean like my 3570K bottlenecks my 680s, which honestly has never happened in any other game that i have played

I had a msi Gt780 back when the game was in closed beta, it was a i7 2630QM, a gtx 570M, 16GB of RAM, and a SSD. It ran the game on high settings fairly well, however it would reach super high temps, 100 degrees C or more with a cooling pad and fans maxed. And that was back in CB, im not sure how it would have faired now.

Im not sure about your situation, but i would highly highly recommend building a desktop, you can build quite a decent desktop rig for 1200 which will handle MWO well.

yeah a pc is really out of the question.... i dont want 2 computers on my desk.... first world problems i know!

the more im reading on the forum though, the cpu bottleneck seems to be caused by the dx9?? and should i really be worried about a beta? when the game is finally out and optimised, would you THINK the GX60 laptop would be able to handle it well??

now im looking around the $1900 range... i73740qm + 7970m...

Edited by Ryan1JZ, 18 May 2013 - 11:39 PM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

The problem is, Laptops are by nature incredibly expensive and even with top end parts there performance is underpinned by obscene heat generation which effects the quality of gaming.

The laptop you linked will play the game, but be underpinned by its CPU.
The laptop Cata linked is better balanced.

[Ryan1JZ]

DV McKenna, on 18 May 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

The problem is, Laptops are by nature incredibly expensive and even with top end parts there performance is underpinned by obscene heat generation which effects the quality of gaming.

The laptop you linked will play the game, but be underpinned by its CPU.
The laptop Cata linked is better balanced.

do you think that will change once the game goes retail and is optimised?
even though its going over budget, would you say the i7 3740qm + 7970m would be a good combo?

[Oderint dum Metuant]

That would be a top end combo, that should have no issue playing MWO.

But as you say it's over budget

[Ryan1JZ]

DV McKenna, on 19 May 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

That would be a top end combo, that should have no issue playing MWO.

But as you say it's over budget

well its only over budget because im a cheapskate/tightarse ... im liking this build more and more now

+ Primary drive 120GB SSD Samsung 530/130MBs 86/32K IOPS

+ 15.6" FHD 1920x1080 LED/LCD 95% Gamut Matte

+ Intel Advanced-N 6235 WiFi and Bluetooth v4.0

+ Diamond Compound applied to processor and graphics

+ Windows 7 Premium 64-bit with DVD and drivers(A$99.00)

+ AMD Radeon HD 7970M 2GB GDDR5 graphics(A$149.00)

+ i7-3740QM Quad Core CPU 2.7GHz up to 3.7GHz(A$179.00)

$1906 AUD delivered... all for one game.... lol

i keep watching vids on youtube, looks awesome and its just a beta

Edited by Ryan1JZ, 19 May 2013 - 02:42 AM.

[Kurkotain]

Just as a heads up, the game will run, and its will run fine. however, for what you are spending you could probably buy something a lot better.

Point: The game runs in my 4 (almost 5) year old laptop (it was high end when i bought it)

Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 (the good C2D, penryn tech)

Nvidia 9800 GTS 1GB (the low point in the laptop, but still, fast enough)

4 GB DDR3 1066 (enough for anything, really)

WD Black 320 gb 7200 RPM (the fastest mechanical laptop hard drive)

So, the laptop is pretty 'tuned' but the underlying system is old as heck. And i'm not running the game in the display's native

1440*900 resolution. It's connected to a 23" 1920*1080 Display.

Off course, everything is a Low or Off in order for the laptop not to blow up at those settings, and i have to give up long range sniping, because of how cryengine works at showing terrain and detail (depending on your settings, you have to be relatively close for the game to draw terrain and buildings, ruining shots) but the game runs. i can brawl and mid distance snipe. in a laptop 4 years old.

Extrapolating, the laptop you're buying is certainly capable of running the game, BUT, the game is only going to get harder to run from now on: After launch DX11 is getting implemented and that's going to murder frame rates y you try to run it.

Graphical quality is only going up from now on, as mech models get more detail and things get reworked after CW

The graphical optimization and game engine optimization is almost over, all the big bugs and memory leaks have been fixed and every optimization from now on will be bug fixes. that was the difference between playing at 1366*768 and playing at 1080p and it certainly worked, but as i said, things are only going to get harder now on graphics-wise.

So, If you plan on playing the game for a long time, you should invest in something that has at least a 660m or better yet a 760m (this game is optimized to play on Nvidia GPUs so if you like Amd you are going to have to live with that, regrettably) and since almost all the laptops with good GPUs have Quads inside, a fast quad core.

Look for the Asus G series, a friend of mine got himself a g75 with a 660m and a fast quad plus 12gb ram for 1200 at best buy. a steal for that price.

[Kurkotain]

SodaFizz, on 18 May 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

I have a Acer Aspire 5755G i7-2.2(turbo to 3.1) ad 8 gb DDR3 and a Geforce 2gb GT540M. If I run it on low resolution and lowest graphic settings I can squeeze 35-45 fps...which is more than enough. Its a demanding game but even with the settings on low you dont miss much. Go for it and hopefully we see you on the field...

Cheers

Soda

With those specs the game should run better, but i presume, since its a GT540 and it has 2gb or Ram, the problem is the GPU memory. Its not GDDR(3-4-5) but normal ram (DDR3)
Its the GPU memory what's bottle necking the system.

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Ryan1JZ, on 19 May 2013 - 02:42 AM, said:

well its only over budget because im a cheapskate/tightarse ... im liking this build more and more now

+ Primary drive 120GB SSD Samsung 530/130MBs 86/32K IOPS

+ 15.6" FHD 1920x1080 LED/LCD 95% Gamut Matte

+ Intel Advanced-N 6235 WiFi and Bluetooth v4.0

+ Diamond Compound applied to processor and graphics

+ Windows 7 Premium 64-bit with DVD and drivers(A$99.00)

+ AMD Radeon HD 7970M 2GB GDDR5 graphics(A$149.00)

+ i7-3740QM Quad Core CPU 2.7GHz up to 3.7GHz(A$179.00)

$1906 AUD delivered... all for one game.... lol

i keep watching vids on youtube, looks awesome and its just a beta

Laptops are good for what they are, but gaming machines they are not.

2K could easily get you a much better gaming PC and a decent sized monitor to go with it.

[ArmageddonKnight]

OP u wil lbe surprised how small u can make a high eprformance PC nowerdays
(Atleats compared to the normal Mid or Full tower ATX rigs that u usualy see high performance PC's as, My one for example sits t over 2 foot high 2 foot long and just under a foot wide its massive)

A mITX mothebroard + upcoming Intel i5 4th Gen Haswell or current gen 3570k.
A Small aftermarket or stock CPU cooler
A GPU Nvidia 650ti or higher, AMD 7850 or higher.
8gb DDR3 1600mhz RAM
A Single 1TB HDD.
A DVD/CD Rom
A 500W PSU.
And finaly a Small mITX case to put it in. It will be small enough to carry with hand, though ofc it wont be super light lol.

A case like this works very well.
http://www.overclock...2362&catid=2279

Infact for around $1900 u could get a i7 and a better GPU, a AOI watter cooler could also sqeeze inside that ITX case. Infact....
http://www.aria.co.u...productId=55342
Copy that rig (or build one simular but iwth betetr specs), its been reviewed by a very good reviewer here in the UK, it will easily handle MWO, and is small enough not to take up much room. Just see the review on the site

Edited by ArmageddonKnight, 19 May 2013 - 07:01 AM.

[Jabilo]

Just like to throw this in.

Due to the game engine, design and multi threading issues this game has heavy system requirements to play at a good clip on anything other than the lowest settings.

I have a 2500K and a GTX 570 and even at medium / high setting I can not maintain a constant 60 fps.

The game is primarily GPU limited for me, but in certain circumstances my 2500K takes a beating and I hit a CPU wall.

If I am hitting a CPU bottleneck with a 2500K , you can see that a laptop is going to take a real beating.

Would just like to echo some of the comments made here that the game needs a fast CPU. My recommendation would be a current generation Intel quad core or you will run in to problems.

If you have dreams of buying a laptop and turning the setting up high on this game and achieving good frame rates then forget it.

However, if you buy a fast balanced lap top you will be able to enjoy the game. Expect to compromise on fps and settings however.

To a certain extent it does depend upon your sensitivity to frame rates. I aim for 60 fps minimum, but others are happy with 25.

[Wiggen]

OP, If the rationale behind running this on a laptop was not wanting two towers under your desk...I think you need to scrap/upgrade your tower. You are going to pay twice as much for half as much performance in this game with a laptop. Plus you'd have the budget to get a nice big HD monitor to run it on.