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[jeffsw6]

In addition to the many other problems with Paul's idea for scaling up heat generated by firing multiple weapons of the same type in a short time interval, that modification will also unintentionally nerf casual players who don't own a $70 gaming mouse.

Why? If you suddenly need more types of weapons to be effective, these weapons will most likely have different effective range or beam duration; some may have varying projectile speed, etc. You really don't want to dumb-fire radically different weapons with one mouse button; yet most players probably have a mouse with only 2 useful buttons, in the context of FPS games.

I own a Logitech G600. I bought it specifically for playing MW:O because I did not like being constrained by 2 buttons. Now I can easily use all six weapon groups. The variety of armaments I bring to the field has increased as a result.

For example, my brawling STK-3F carries 2 LPL, 4 SL, 1 LRM15, and 3 SRM6. I use four different weapon-groups because none of these weapons are appropriate to fire together.

My Misery has 2 LL, 2 PPC, 1 UAC5. Again, weapons that I don't want to dumb-fire together in most situations.

If players are essentially forced to increase the variety of weapons they carry, more players will become gimp if they do not invest in a gaming mouse. That's unfortunate for casuals.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

I found your problem

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my brawling STK-3F carries 2 LPL, 4 SL, 1 LRM15, and 3 SRM6

Leaving you room to improve on the aspects of the brawling, by increasing your LPL count by 1, and your SRM 6 count by 1 and keeping you at 2 weapon groups.

It is rare in this game to use more than 2 effective weapon groupings the odd mech may have 3 or a third trying to cool off group.

And for the record, i have a 4 button mouse, one is used for PTT on Teamspeak leaving me with 3....never ever need more.

Edited by DV McKenna, 18 May 2013 - 11:19 PM.

[Deathlike]

I await the multi-mouse button overlords.

BTW: I only use 3 weapons groups @ most on my cheap 5 button mouse.

Edited by Deathlike, 18 May 2013 - 11:16 PM.

[Mazzyplz]

let jeff use whatever weapons he wants, it's the beauty of the game!

that being said i don't even use mouse buttons, i press 1 through 6 with the same fingers i use to WASD

[Commander Binz]

Mazzyplz, on 18 May 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

let jeff use whatever weapons he wants, it's the beauty of the game!

that being said i don't even use mouse buttons, i press 1 through 6 with the same fingers i use to WASD

This man.. he is a legend.

Seriously though. My most complicated mech, I just press "3" when I need to fire ma AC20

[Pater Mors]

[matux]

Do you want to have a cry about those with more than the standard 104 keys? what about euro keyboards are they OP? What about dvorak?

[Tesfurdo]

I have 2-3 groups at most.. 1 cooling off group which is easy enough to switch.... I only have a 2 button mouse... and don't have and can't really see a problem with this update "gimping" less well off players.

Edited by Tesfurdo, 19 May 2013 - 12:39 AM.

[Solomon Ward]

You could have played the P2W card jeff.

"People with 5$ mice cannot compete."

So much lost potential.

Edit: Oh you did.Nevermind

This thread is still a waste of webspace.

Edited by Solomon Ward, 19 May 2013 - 12:44 AM.

[WhiteRabbit]

Uhm .... My mouse has only 2 buttons and i still use up to 5 groups.
Protip: use your keyboard ...loads of shiny buttons there

[Hammerfinn]

I never use more than 4 weapon groups, which can easily be mapped to a combination of mouse and keyboard. If you're using more than 4, you're doing something wrong.

Also, I believe it said the same weapon type--which means, boating will be hurt, but not reasonable carrying of same-range weapon types.

Edited by Hammerfinn, 19 May 2013 - 01:11 AM.

[dario03]

WhiteRabbit, on 19 May 2013 - 12:59 AM, said:

Uhm .... My mouse has only 2 buttons and i still use up to 5 groups.
Protip: use your keyboard ...loads of shiny buttons there

Yeah. Even though I could set up 5 or 6 fire groups to my mouse I only use 4 and rarely actually use the 4th. But I have 2 more set up on my keyboard so it works fine.

[Taemien]

This thread has been reported for spam. The OP has already made posts about this topic already.

[jeffsw6]

Taemien, on 19 May 2013 - 02:49 AM, said:

This thread has been reported for spam. The OP has already made posts about this topic already.

Report away, but this is a legitimate user-interface concern. It is far more convenient to use your mouse for firing than your keyboard, for many players (if not most.) If you can no longer boat a lot of Medium Lasers, and need to choose more types of weapons which will have different range, projectile speed, etc.; then you will be more likely to require additional mouse buttons, or to go to the keyboard for firing those extra groups.

It is also a completely separate concern from the game mechanics: this is a user-interface issue created by a planned balance change. Whether you agree or not, it is worth discussion.

[Taemien]

jeffsw6, on 19 May 2013 - 02:51 AM, said:

Report away, but this is a legitimate user-interface concern. It is far more convenient to use your mouse for firing than your keyboard, for many players (if not most.) If you can no longer boat a lot of Medium Lasers, and need to choose more types of weapons which will have different range, projectile speed, etc.; then you will be more likely to require additional mouse buttons, or to go to the keyboard for firing those extra groups.

It is also a completely separate concern from the game mechanics: this is a user-interface issue created by a planned balance change. Whether you agree or not, it is worth discussion.

You are just trying to stir up a forum riot, that is the only purpose behind your threads. And I am calling you out on it.

[dario03]

jeffsw6, on 19 May 2013 - 02:51 AM, said:

Report away, but this is a legitimate user-interface concern. It is far more convenient to use your mouse for firing than your keyboard, for many players (if not most.) If you can no longer boat a lot of Medium Lasers, and need to choose more types of weapons which will have different range, projectile speed, etc.; then you will be more likely to require additional mouse buttons, or to go to the keyboard for firing those extra groups.

It is also a completely separate concern from the game mechanics: this is a user-interface issue created by a planned balance change. Whether you agree or not, it is worth discussion.

Why? I actually use my keyboard firing groups for my long range weapons or most important groups. Pressing a button on a keyboard is less likely to cause me to accidently move my mouse than a button on the mouse itself (especially the extra buttons).

[Taemien]

dario03, on 19 May 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Why? I actually use my keyboard firing groups for my long range weapons or most important groups. Pressing a button on a keyboard is less likely to cause me to accidently move my mouse than a button on the mouse itself (especially the extra buttons).

Don't listen to him, he's a Liar, a Troll, and a Spammer. Just look at the other thread with a similar name created by him for evidence of such.

[jeffsw6]

Taemien, on 19 May 2013 - 02:54 AM, said:

You are just trying to stir up a forum riot, that is the only purpose behind your threads. And I am calling you out on it.

Call all you want, but not everyone wants to reach for 4 or 5 while also trying to steer, accelerate, or stop their mech. I'm sure the forum moderators are savvy enough to recognize this as a distinct issue. If you don't want it to be discussed, then I suggest you stop bumping this thread.

dario03, on 19 May 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Why? I actually use my keyboard firing groups for my long range weapons or most important groups. Pressing a button on a keyboard is less likely to cause me to accidently move my mouse than a button on the mouse itself (especially the extra buttons).

That isn't everyone's preference. I am more concerned with having to take my hand away from the steering buttons to fire my weapons. That's why I purchased a mouse with additional buttons.

[Pater Mors]

jeffsw6, on 19 May 2013 - 02:58 AM, said:

Call all you want, but not everyone wants to reach for 4 or 5 while also trying to steer, accelerate, or stop their mech. I'm sure the forum moderators are savvy enough to recognize this as a distinct issue.

It is so far away from being a legitimate issue that it's approaching it from the other side.

[dario03]

jeffsw6, on 19 May 2013 - 02:58 AM, said:

That isn't everyone's preference. I am more concerned with having to take my hand away from the steering buttons to fire my weapons. That's why I purchased a mouse with additional buttons.

You don't have to take your fingers away from steering. If you use your index, middle, and ring finger to steer like most people do in games then you use your pinky and thumb for the firing groups. For example I use esdf for moving my mech and my pinky hits "a" and "caps lock" to fire weapons. "a" is the most convenient fire group I have.