34 replies to this topic

[EyeOne]

You don't get to have everything. That's the point. The fact that you have a 100 ton assault with ECM should leave you with nothing to complain about anyway.

[Kanajashi]

You can still fit 2x LRM15 with Artemis in there along with ECM, If you want to fire more LRMs then that, get a stalker.

[FerrolupisXIII]

you can still fit 2x lrm 15 and an lrm 5 with artemis. the ONLY thing it messes up are 3x 15w/ artemis and 2x 20 w/ artemis. boo-freaking-hoo. adapt. you can still run 3x 15 or 2x 20 without artemis. or with artemis, 2x 15 and an SRM 4. 1x 20 and two srm 4. 1x 15 and 2x srm 6. its really not hard. and as stated it doesn't even effect brawler builds.

nothing to see here. move along.

[General Taskeen]

Well do we all understand how we got here, I hope? None of these "tweaks" and unintentional changes would have occurred if A. Missiles were re-programmed from the ground up and B. If ECM was programmed to be ECM, but its not, so customization is neutered. And so the original intention of Information Warfare is lost, and what we have is a mess of incomplete systems. We are also missing the true NARC, C3, and Active/Passive Radar.

Edited by General Taskeen, 24 May 2013 - 09:23 AM.

[Spirit of the Wolf]

General Taskeen, on 24 May 2013 - 09:19 AM, said:

Well do we all understand how we got here, I hope? None of these "tweaks" and unintentional changes would have occurred if A. Missiles were re-programmed from the ground up and B. If ECM was programmed to be ECM, but its not, so customization is neutered. And so the original intention of Information Warfare is lost, and what we have is a mess of incomplete systems. We are also missing the true NARC, C3, and Active/Passive Radar.

It's true that changes would have been reduced if missiles had been reprogrammed from the base-up, (which, first of all, would have required an absolutely massive amount of coding & data sampling, which even then wouldn't be perfect), but they wouldn't have been eliminated; every new mech added to the game introduces new variables, and it's so statistically improbable that not a single player would have found a way to exploit the missiles which had been reprogrammed that it's practically a guaranteed incorrect statement to say changes would have been eliminated -- because there's always that one guy who will try to break the game.

I agree with ECM though -- it has far too much in its favor (much of which is actually from things like the Null Signature System), which was not in the original Guardian ECM. It's more like Angel ECM than Guardian.

Yes, we're missing C3, but it's been replaced by the 'R' target system, for which I am thankful. As for true NARC, I'm not familiar with it, so I can't comment, and the same goes for Active/Passive Radar.

Edited by Spirit of the Wolf, 24 May 2013 - 02:08 PM.

[Krazy Kat]

FerrolupisXIII, on 24 May 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

you can still fit 2x lrm 15 and an lrm 5 with artemis. the ONLY thing it messes up are 3x 15w/ artemis and 2x 20 w/ artemis. boo-freaking-hoo. adapt. you can still run 3x 15 or 2x 20 without artemis. or with artemis, 2x 15 and an SRM 4. 1x 20 and two srm 4. 1x 15 and 2x srm 6. its really not hard. and as stated it doesn't even effect brawler builds.

nothing to see here. move along.

I pilot a DDC and have no sympathy for LRM boats.

[Dragonkindred]

I run a lot of different builds.

The ECM hard point only affects the D-DC. No other ECM mech has this problem. If you want to hinder ECM mechs, then hinder all of them, not just one.

Edited by Dragonkindred, 24 May 2013 - 10:14 PM.

[Macheiron]

Dragonkindred, on 24 May 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

If you want to hinder ECM mechs, then hinder all of them, not just one.

Why?

Also, this isn't really the right forum for this.

Edited by Macheiron, 26 May 2013 - 06:18 PM.

[LordBraxton]

ECM isn't even that great anymore

[Satan n stuff]

Aw now I can't run triple LRM15s with artemis and a Gauss rifle like I used to. Oh well, out goes the third LRM15, in goes the ER PPC. Say hello to supersniperLRMECMatlas.

[Kitane]

How about putting it into the other torso side?

*innocent whistle*

No, keep it where it is.

[Gaan Cathal]

Dragonkindred, on 24 May 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

I run a lot of different builds.

The ECM hard point only affects the D-DC. No other ECM mech has this problem. If you want to hinder ECM mechs, then hinder all of them, not just one.

The D-DC isn't an ECM mech. Ergo having the option to place an ECM module anywhere on it is a bonus.

More seriously, it's an assault with ECM. Other ECM mechs have the disadvantage of not being in the newly overpowered assault class, so get the advantage of not having their ECM position prevent one specific weapon loadout.

[Mudhutwarrior]

I had it there in the first place so no biggie for me though do think the ecm suite should be in the head to begin with. All the hardpoint restrictions combined are a real pain and considering the money spent the Atlas is not such a great package. That a four million dollar mech is more versialte in loadout is the joke here. And the jokes on us fools who invested in the Atlas, If you think in terms of dollars for output the atlas sucks. If you understand that ecm tag makes you a priority target well that seals the deal.

[Raso]

Personally I think they should have put it in the other side torso. It would make you choose between an AC20 or ECM. It would also make the other Atlas chassis more appealing as hard hitters while making the DDC more of a support unit. I mean SRMs are really under powered right now so I really don't get why people are complaining about not having enough of them. I think it would be sweet to see pilots forced to make those sort of choices when building a mech.

[Unbound Inferno]

Not the CT. If there is any place not the LT to put the ECM it should be in like the RA.

The item according to the logic it should be able to be removed by damage without destroying the mech, hence the other LT placements leaves the only other decent spot as the Arms.

AFIK the Atlas is also the only other mech that has its AMS in the Arms leaving the RA the other logical choice like that.


Though realistically I'm partial to the older rules where ECM isn't restricted.