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[TheMightyWashburn]

Ive been trying to get LRMs to work for me since the hotfix and they just dont.

I fired 900 lrms in 60 missile volleys on targets IN THE OPEN moving at no more than 50 kph and did 388 damage. That is with artemis and tag and line of sight.

While my alpha should do 54 damage (.9*60) a good 20-40% of the missiles hit the ground or otherwise miss their target.

As a reciver I have also instantly dropped AMS back off my mechs and dont worry at all about LRMs as they are nothing compared to the quickly returning poptarts.

Have you played a LRM boat since the hotfix? Were you able to do "well" on LRMs alone?
Discuss!

[GODzillaGSPB]

Artemis?

[Nauht]

OP's just trolling for responses. Only two things were done in the hotfix - indirect pathing and splash damage.

You're still playing with the same improved LRM speed, damage and spread from the patch.

But of course there's nothing to stop anyone from claiming "hidden" nerfs in the hotfix. /rolleyes

[Dude42]

Nauht, on 25 May 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

OP's just trolling for responses. Only two things were done in the hotfix - indirect pathing and splash damage.

You're still playing with the same improved LRM speed, damage and spread from the patch.

But of course there's nothing to stop anyone from claiming "hidden" nerfs in the hotfix. /rolleyes

It's not hidden. It's right out in the open. The fact is, 0.7 damage with a 1.8m splash radius is > 0.9 damage with a 0.05m radius(smaller than the warhead model, the missile implodes). So if reducing the effectiveness of a weapon system isn't a nerf, I don't know what is. No changes were made to arc when you have LOS. So for people firing missiles in direct fire mode it was a complete nerf. Sorry if the missiles traveling faster, without HSR in place so most of the "hits" don't register anyway, is in no way useful.

[GODzillaGSPB]

The funniest thing is this: Seeing how LRMs practically rule again, I cannot but laugh my *** off because of people not using them pre-patch, claiming they were all bad.

Now let's think about it...we have 0.2 more damage per missile, higher speed but lower splash damage. How did this carry them from 100% bad and unowrthy to 100% good and battlefield-reigning?

Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that, even with the lower damage per missile, they could've been great before the patch and hotfix, but never had the chance because one half of the community claimed they'd be bad and the other half jumped on the lrm-hate-bandwagon? Yep, I'm pretty sure this is true. LOL!

[Livewyr]

If you're playing an LRM boat Assault- I have no sympathy for you. You're a waste of an assault. LRMs are not supposed to be aerial Gauss rifles, they're supposed to do enough damage to soften the enemy and take advantage of unarmored locations- not orbital strike.

I put some LRMs on my mixed Atlas and they work great.

They weren't ever supposed to do the ridiculous damage of AC20s and Gauss rifles. (Except maybe the LRM20, but that is Gauss/AC20 damage over an area of three torsos)

[Dude42]

GODzillaGSPB, on 25 May 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

The funniest thing is this: Seeing how LRMs practically rule again, I cannot but laugh my *** off because of people not using them pre-patch, claiming they were all bad.

Now let's think about it...we have 0.2 more damage per missile, higher speed but lower splash damage. How did this carry them from 100% bad and unowrthy to 100% good and battlefield-reigning?

Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that, even with the lower damage per missile, they could've been great before the patch and hotfix, but never had the chance because one half of the community claimed they'd be bad and the other half jumped on the lrm-hate-bandwagon? Yep, I'm pretty sure this is true. LOL!

Except that ton for ton they are the worst weapon in the game, by far.

[Livewyr]

GODzillaGSPB, on 25 May 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

The funniest thing is this: Seeing how LRMs practically rule again, I cannot but laugh my *** off because of people not using them pre-patch, claiming they were all bad.

Now let's think about it...we have 0.2 more damage per missile, higher speed but lower splash damage. How did this carry them from 100% bad and unowrthy to 100% good and battlefield-reigning?

Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that, even with the lower damage per missile, they could've been great before the patch and hotfix, but never had the chance because one half of the community claimed they'd be bad and the other half jumped on the lrm-hate-bandwagon? Yep, I'm pretty sure this is true. LOL!

They're being used again because they don't take 10 seconds to get to the target...

[Dude42]

Livewyr, on 25 May 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

If you're playing an LRM boat Assault- I have no sympathy for you. You're a waste of an assault. LRMs are not supposed to be aerial Gauss rifles, they're supposed to do enough damage to soften the enemy and take advantage of unarmored locations- not orbital strike.

I put some LRMs on my mixed Atlas and they work great.

They weren't ever supposed to do the ridiculous damage of AC20s and Gauss rifles. (Except maybe the LRM20, but that is Gauss/AC20 damage over an area of three torsos)

Agreed. Boats suck, but why should something like 2xLRM15s be rendered completely useless on a varied build?

[Livewyr]

Dude42, on 25 May 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

Agreed. Boats suck, but why should something like 2xLRM15s be rendered completely useless on a varied build?

They aren't, I have 2LRM15s (with art) on my atlas, and I kick *** with it. Always get to fight throughout the match, because of the LRMS.

[Dude42]

Livewyr, on 25 May 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

They're being used again because they don't take 10 seconds to get to the target...

I personally believe it's because people who were afraid of being mocked just for equipping them got a chance to try them for a couple days. Now they think people won't mock them for carrying them. Well, a LRM user is certainly a detriment to a team now.

[Livewyr]

Dude42, on 25 May 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

I personally believe it's because people who were afraid of being mocked just for equipping them got a chance to try them for a couple days. Now they think people won't mock them for carrying them. Well, a LRM user is certainly a detriment to a team now.

And lets not forget, lasers got their HSR, Ballistics have theirs.. lets see what happens with Missiles get theirs...

[Dude42]

Livewyr, on 25 May 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

They aren't, I have 2LRM15s (with art) on my atlas, and I kick *** with it. Always get to fight throughout the match, because of the LRMS.

With the missiles or the other weapon systems on the mech? If I were a betting man, I'd wager that in any given match, those LRMs account for less than 10% of your total damage done.

[Livewyr]

Dude42, on 25 May 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

With the missiles or the other weapon systems on the mech? If I were a betting man, I'd wager that in any given match, those LRMs account for less than 10% of your total damage done.

some matches I've only gotten to fire my AC20 once or twice, and an ERLL isn't doing that much.. still getting 400+ damage.

[Kitane]

The current state of missiles leave Catapult in a pretty poor position and that's the only heavier mech I play with.

C1 is somewhat usable, but wasting majority of of its weapon loadout on underperforming system sux. It's not really balanced, it's still a LRM boat by nature and LRMs are crippled.
C4 is a LRM boat or SRM boat - crippled.
A1 is a pure missile boat - Streakcats are weak and a waste of a heavy mech, SRMs are massively nerfed and LRMs...see above.

The only other mech I enjoy driving is X-5 with SRMs and that was hit by Tuesday's nerf as well.

[Dude42]

Livewyr, on 25 May 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

some matches I've only gotten to fire my AC20 once or twice, and an ERLL isn't doing that much.. still getting 400+ damage.

This is why I wish we had better match breakdowns, like, damage per weapon, per group, total damage taken, all that jazz. But ok, if you're telling me you're doing 400 damage with LRMs thats at least 445(400x0.9) missile hits, that's an awful high number of "hits" in a match, especially considering a lack of HSR. You sure about those numbers? Anyway, you have to agree that ton for ton they're the worst weapon in the game.

[Livewyr]

Dude42, on 25 May 2013 - 08:52 AM, said:

This is why I wish we had better match breakdowns, like, damage per weapon, per group, total damage taken, all that jazz. But ok, if you're telling me you're doing 400 damage with LRMs thats at least 445(400x0.9) missile hits, that's an awful high number of "hits" in a match, especially considering a lack of HSR. You sure about those numbers? Anyway, you have to agree that ton for ton they're the worst weapon in the game.

Well, it's about 60-70% of a complete ammo load for that mech, so it makes sense.

EDIT: I don't agree, because they shouldn't be compared to direct fire weapons in a directfire fight.. their specialty is being able to do damage over long distance without line of sight, supporting other mechs.

If they were indirect gauss rifles, nobody'd use anything else. (Cue LRMs from earlier this year...)

Edited by Livewyr, 25 May 2013 - 08:57 AM.

[Spheroid]

I don't agree with the OP premise at all. LRM spam is all over the place and still very dangerous. Also hiding behind rocks wont always save you. Between the lingering effect of TAG or target decay somehow the missiles are still too accurate after breaking LOS.

Edited by Spheroid, 25 May 2013 - 09:01 AM.

[Dude42]

Spheroid, on 25 May 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

I don't agree with the OP premise at all. LRM spam is all over the place and still very dangerous. Also hiding behind rocks wont always save you. Between the lingering effect of TAG or target decay somehow the missiles are still too accurate after breaking LOS.

Not if you keep moving.

[CmndoBrndo]

It's all about fine tuning at this point. Incremental changes have to be made and HSR could completely upset all of that.

I think the LRMs need a splash damage increase, and give the AMS another small buff, (which I don't think will happen because of the LAMS is just around the corner.)