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[Lord Perversor]

1st of all this is not a complain about if ELO is right or wrong, just a heads up and an open discussion about others experiencies with it lately.

This week i just choosed to join the Med vs the world tourney and while ranking close to the top 100 (wich i can assume i'm a med to high skill player) i can't stop to notice i still get paired with ppl that seems to lack even the most basic figthing skills.

How the hell pilots that seems to have worse aiming than my 6 years old nephew get matched along me surprises me (even if they are using joystick as a explanation for the slow and draft aiming i can notice, they should be good enough to be on this **ELO bracket**) or just pilots Alphaing with SRM 6's-LRM20's and Med lasers at 600m it's something should not be happening or the common Turret Mech that can't notice the 4x alphas on his back (hell not even trying to turn to check what's going on since no one on his front view it's shooting them)

The most curious thing it's than most of this people are always in Assault Mech's like if this was just related only to that kind of weight chassis.

So did someone noticed similar things or it's just my feeble imagination?

Edited by Lord Perversor, 26 May 2013 - 06:09 AM.

[MrPils]

Matchmaking is based off your teams average score, it doesn't match you against people of similar ELO ratings specifically.

[hammerreborn]

People have bad games, people end up in bad spots, people get headshot from 1k out.

**** happens.

And I've now put you on a list. If I ever see you do less than 400 damage I'm going to post it in this thread asking why I got stuck with your terrible ***.

[Victor Morson]

ELO is entirely beyond useless, and they'd been far far better off worrying about matching weight instead.

[Lord Perversor]

hammerreborn, on 26 May 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

People have bad games, people end up in bad spots, people get headshot from 1k out.

**** happens.

And I've now put you on a list. If I ever see you do less than 400 damage I'm going to post it in this thread asking why I got stuck with your terrible ***.

You are missunderstanding me i do not mean about **** happens moments , i totally understand ppl getting oneshoted, having bad luck or risking too much for a kill, neither the stressed moments when you are surrounded by enemies and can´t stay calm to prioritize the easy kills 1st then proceed.

What i mean are ppl acting like if they where completely new to the game, and not in just puntual actions but long standing periods sometimes minutes longer.


On the other hand i had the impression ELO ends matching you with similar score opponents so in the long term ppl with a mid to high playing level should end away from this new players. If i was wrong and the system just balance the ELO between both teams so top players can end with lowest ones, well so be it i just had the different idea.


Also most of this players are almost always in Assault chassis wich is what lead me to wonder if there was some mistake in how the ELo works or just my own paranoia.

Edited by Lord Perversor, 26 May 2013 - 01:27 PM.

[Profiteer]

I'd scrap ELO, it's always going to be a nightmare to balance.

I'd just use groupings:

K/D < than 1 - Group 1
K/D 1-1.9 - Group 2
K/D 2-2.9 - Group 3
K/D 3+ - Group 4.

It would mean a little more work getting 4 mans together and making sure you're all in the same grouping, but it would be worth it.

I want to play with and against players of a similar skill level. That ensures the tightest, most fun games.

[ZealotTheFallen]

I stopped playing to get a break from this very slow moving game came back yesterday and yes I asked every match i dropped in and the first two matches i was in groups that had no experience 3 of 16 had been in game more than 6 months then 4 of 16 then 2 of 16 so we are being tortured and punished now elo matchmaking is broke and works as good as a broken water pipe
so time to take another break till we get real battles with real teammates more then 4 in a group trully this is going backwards for must of us longtime players and ruining the game totally

[hammerreborn]

Lord Perversor, on 26 May 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

You are missunderstanding me i do not mean about **** happens moments , i totally understand ppl getting oneshoted, having bad luck or risking too much for a kill, neither the stressed moments when you are surrounded by enemies and can´t stay calm to prioritize the easy kills 1st then proceed.

What i mean are ppl acting like if they where completely new to the game, and not in just puntual actions but long standing periods sometimes minutes longer.


On the other hand i had the impression ELO ends matching you with similar score opponents so in the long term ppl with a mid to high playing level should end away from this new players. If i was wrong and the system just balance the ELO between both teams so top players can end with lowest ones, well so be it i just had the different idea.


Also most of this players are almost always in Assault chassis wich is what lead me to wonder if there was some mistake in how the ELo works or just my own paranoia.

Not everyone can be a god of the game like you, clearly.

That's all these wankfest threads are. Why do I keep getting stuck with ****** players PGI I'm the best warrior in the world and these plebs are terrible!?

And you see lots of assaults because over a third of all players are playing assault mechs.

[kuangmk11]

I think there is some weirdness with spectator sometimes. People look like they are horrible shots but then I watch their crosshairs go red and the paper-doll register hits. I admit there are plenty who actually are bad shots though.

[kuangmk11]

Profiteer, on 26 May 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

I'd scrap ELO, it's always going to be a nightmare to balance.

I'd just use groupings:

K/D < than 1 - Group 1
K/D 1-1.9 - Group 2
K/D 2-2.9 - Group 3
K/D 3+ - Group 4.

It would mean a little more work getting 4 mans together and making sure you're all in the same grouping, but it would be worth it.

I want to play with and against players of a similar skill level. That ensures the tightest, most fun games.

This would result in everyone bouncing between the lowest 2 groups with nobody in the top 2. There wouldn't be enough "meat" to sustain those ratios.

[PEEFsmash]

K/D is not a good factor in determining overall skill. In the long term, win ratio will be the best determiner of overall skill. A great spotter can increase his team's chance of winning, but will never have a strong K/D. The system just needs more information...(and honestly, it should be made public.)

Edited by PEEFsmash, 26 May 2013 - 02:50 PM.

[Lord Perversor]

hammerreborn, on 26 May 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

Not everyone can be a god of the game like you, clearly.

That's all these wankfest threads are. Why do I keep getting stuck with ****** players PGI I'm the best warrior in the world and these plebs are terrible!?

And you see lots of assaults because over a third of all players are playing assault mechs.

I'm not saying i'm the best or complaining this ELO sucks because i'm the best in the Inner Sphere.
Hell i don't care even if i'm a single med/light in 7v8 Assault Match, so plz re read my post.
I'm Asking if someone else has experienced this newb behaviour and specially in the Assault mech pilots (i hardly noticed this on remaining med/lights mech and is usually related with only Assault chassis, or it's just a paranoia of mine.

kuangmk11, on 26 May 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

I think there is some weirdness with spectator sometimes. People look like they are horrible shots but then I watch their crosshairs go red and the paper-doll register hits. I admit there are plenty who actually are bad shots though.

I'm quite aware of the Spectator issues (being happening since closed beta kuangmk11)
My fault since i didn't specified what i mean with bad aiming, but i refer at the kind of pilot that seems to spray the cursor all over the screen (not shooting off aim and landing hits) but just ppl that takes like 5seconds to get a hold and shoot , noticed this after this kind of ppl took them to re-aim something incoming in their frontal view longer than 8 seconds.

So to sum this up.

Did someone noticed odd behaviour on Assault Mech mostly like if the pilot would be just brand new to the game?