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[Huge]

Let me cue you in on a little history lesson. About a year ago MWO was just an idea. A concept. A project that BT fans adored and PGI was willing to give a go. Love was in the air and all was well. They even offered a "Founder's Program" from fans to fund the game and get it on its feet. The Gold level was literally an option to toss money at PGI to make MWO a great game. The difference between the $60 buy in and the $120 Gold was disproportionate. As in you were basically just giving them cash because you loved the idea so much.

What happened in the after math?

Delays.
Slow and broken content.
The utter absence of content promised a year ago, such as CW.
Lies. Lies such as no 3PV. But hey, it was there position at the time. So they may have meant well.
A hastily and completely doomed to tank attempt to "launch the game" in an Alpha stage.

A buck load of good all that 6 million pledge money did. Do you know why? Partily to do with PGI and their own inexperience but that we can partly forgive. What we cannot forgive, will not forgive, or should ever forget is this.

The Founder's money went outside of MWO. It went to two separate projects being developed by IGP the cold hand on the shoulder of PGI. They spirited away untold hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of dollars away from MWO to fund other games. How much exactly?

Well we'll never know because PGI has a gag order over their mouths like 6 layers of bondage gag strapping but the estimate is much more then any BT fan would be comfortable with.

The Phoenix package is a terrible grab deal in and off itself. No MC. No option to SELECT the mech you want. Just all and all a bad value for your buck compared to the founders. The only other reason I could see for picking it up is the idea you're "supporting MWO".

Nu uh scrooby dweeb.

You're funding IGP. You're funding Mech Warrior Tactitcs and padding the CEO's vacation allowance. The fact is they have never been and will never be transparent with how much they have to dedicate to other sources. In that fact we must answer in kind. Do not throw money at this deal because it is not furthering MWO. It is only reinforcing the idea us players will pay for anything in MWO and IGP and by extension PGI can drag their feet and offer exclusive mechs every couple of mouths for insane amounts of dosh. When they should be making a game worth spending that money on in the first place.

Vote with your wallets mech warriors. For the good of MWO do not allow them to continue this disgusting and shady means of profiting. In the long run it will only means disaster for the game we love so dearly.

For the sight impaired or those who are simply too lazy to read: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0mtK29QkS3N

Edited by Huge, 30 June 2013 - 04:34 PM.

[LauLiao]

Guess what? EVERY time you buy ANYthing you're funding some "Greedy Corporate CEO." You know who I personally think are idiots? The D-bag hipsters who complain about corporate greed then go and spend $7 for a coffee at Starbucks.

[ryoma]

I'd honestly be ok with Phoenix if we had more choice. It's an all right release model because while buying temporary power is still P2W, it's one of the less evil forms of it and it guarantees the survival of the game.

Of course if PGI continues to make some very bad design decisions, then I'll go elsewhere.

3PV so far, since it's restricted, isn't so bad. If they allow 3PV into hard core mode, then I will out right quit the game.

[General Taskeen]

Understandable, however the reason most people want to keep funding it, is due to this being the only new Mech Warrior FPS game on the market. Hypothetically, if MWO does not succeed/grow, it could be years again until another team starts crowd-funding a new Mech title. I don't have much else to add, other than disagreeing with certain design decisions that went into the game.

[Yankee77]

Concern troll is obvious.

But seriously, does anyone actually think that money spent on a game goes solely for that game,'s development? Of course not. But buying these packages DOES increase MWO's profitability. So yes, if you want to support MWO then buy these packages.

Of course the fact is these packages are in fact a great deal. So if you really wanted to support MWO you should buythe equivalent in MCs.

Anhsay, I find it suspiciously interesting how much people are trying to convince us not to support MWO. Either they really hate MWO or there's an ulterior motive.

[Huge]

Or perhaps I can see past my own self righteous nose and see trends in gaming development, F2P betas, and dubious package deal models.

It has lead to ruin or the game being patch by who grabs the latest deal to counter the broken content. F2P in general has been a terrible death wish for most games. TF2 pulls it off because most of their money comes from cosmetics. To gossy up your avatar. Why would you do that in a F2P game?

BECAUSE THE CORE GAME IS FUN. COMPLETE. CONTENT IS CONSTANT AND FULFILLING!

What we have is a beta that is well well well behind schedule and shifting their positions all the time on issues we made very clear long ago. When we funded them with Founders. Believe it or not I love MWO. I hope to Christ it becomes the game they promised. I however also know when it is time to cut off the money junkie. To let them prioritize what is important. Content and fulfilling their commitments?

Or pushing more and more resources into the next big grab deal. Ignoring massive game bugs and imbalances in place of a new $45 mech.

For the blind: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1RUh4SQoGGz

Edited by Huge, 30 June 2013 - 05:32 PM.

[LauLiao]

OH I see the problem!

Apparently you're laboring under the false assumption that because you're a founder, what you say means something.

[Huge]

...Isn't that the pretense Gold Founders have been preaching and lording over others the last 12 months?

Or is it only valid if you do not have something critical to say?

[Vassago Rain]

Huge, on 30 June 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

...Isn't that the pretense Gold Founders have been preaching and lording over others the last 12 months?

Or is it only valid if you do not have something critical to say?

That's how it generally works, or if you carry a liao flag.

[ryoma]

Unfortunately money spent on MWO does not guarantee better or faster design. In fact the more money PGI has gotten the less they've listened to any of us. Communication is dwindling and a lot of bad game play decisions are getting thrown at us.

[Nauht]

That's the thing about people - we're all different, have different tastes and expectations.

I've sunk so many hours into MWO already and gotten so much fun out of it. Sure there are downs as well as ups but overall I enjoy playing this and still do.
I bought founders and that was one of the best $60 spent as I spent hundreds of hours alone in the CB blasting away. I've bought MC along the way... again for the return, easily the best money spent.

I've bought far worse for much more.

The question for you OP - why are you still here? If you don't enjoy the game, drop it. Why keep banging your head against your own built brick wall?

[QuantumButler]

Nothing has changed about how deluded the golds are I see.

[ApolloKaras]

Nauht, on 30 June 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

That's the thing about people - we're all different, have different tastes and expectations.

I've sunk so many hours into MWO already and gotten so much fun out of it. Sure there are downs as well as ups but overall I enjoy playing this and still do.
I bought founders and that was one of the best $60 spent as I spent hundreds of hours alone in the CB blasting away. I've bought MC along the way... again for the return, easily the best money spent.

I've bought far worse for much more.

The question for you OP - why are you still here? If you don't enjoy the game, drop it. Why keep banging your head against your own built brick wall?

He obviously likes the game... Why does it mean that if he/she doesnt want to fund Project Phoenix, that it automatically makes him hate the game...? OP is already a founder, and probably has bought MC along the way. I didn't get into the founders package because PGI's track record kinda scared me. So I waited, I liked what they came out with and I did pitch some money their way for a few Hero mechs. However an additional 80 bucks on top of what I've paid, what OP has paid etc, for a game that still isn't out of Beta yet, and we have shady release dates +/- a month? Why wouldn't I spend that 80 bucks on another full blown release of another title? yes you get mech bays for the mechs that you buy in the package. Are you going to sell the PP mechs to get those bays? Probably not... Are you going to need that premium time? I've played this thing since Open beta and I have C-bills coming out my ears lol... What am I not going to have the C-Bills for.

[Huge]

Same reason as you.

Love.

I love MWO. I am a few days away from Mastering every single mech chassis. I've tried every configuration, every mech, every playstyle that comes across my face. I love the modular damage. I adore being rewarding for scanning my enemy. Determining the most likely weak points. And getting faster kilsl for noticing this particular mech is running an XL engine. Or I can cleave their damage potential by 80% by targeting the right torso rather then taking more incoming and targeting the core. I love the one life per match. I relish using my team and luring tactics to punish overly eager enemies. Or the misery of being caught in an LRM kill box.

I've spend hundreds of hours in the mechs bay and smurfy. Theorizing and customizing and experimenting. Hours a day on average playing MWO when I can manage it.

I love MWO.

That being said I also recognize when love for the game can actually impede its progress. Like over feeding a gluttonous goldfish. You as the consumer. No much how much you might like the product. Must look at the transaction critically. Logically. At some point all you're doing is gorging PGI in money while most of it is not even helping further MWO. Those who actually like this game and want there to be a reliable future must make demands for fair compensation and responsibility for promises. There must be a measure of accountability when you give them this much money during what they are still calling A BETA!

Love the game but don't let that same love ruin it.

Edited by Huge, 30 June 2013 - 04:08 PM.

[ryoma]

I love MWO so much, it's such a fun game.

It makes me sad that the devs are doing dumb things to the game, but I still somewhat trust them and I WANT to buy a Phoenix pack, but all of the sub 80$ packs are god awful and I cannot in the right mind convince myself to buy them.

Maybe when they release hero Jenners and Catapults I'll buy MC, but till then PGI can't have my money till worthwhile things come out.

So far I own Misery, YLW, bought many mech bays, and paid for about 2 months of Premium time total.

[Hexenhammer]

That's a great idea. Lets totally boycott the Phoenix project. That will send a clear message to PGI to fix their game. It will also send a clear message to IGP that MWO is dead and the sooner they pull the plug on MWO the sooner we get back to playing Multiplayer BattleTech 3025.

Edited by Hexenhammer, 30 June 2013 - 04:28 PM.

[Vassago Rain]

Hexenhammer, on 30 June 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

That's a great idea. Lets totally boycott the Phoenix project. That will send a clear message to PGI to fix their game. It will also send a clear message to IGP that MWO is dead and the sooner they pull the plug on MWO the sooner we get back to playing Mechwarrior 4.

You're playing MW4 already, only with upgraded graphics.

[Alistair Winter]

How many Mechwarrior games have been released over the last 10 years? How many are likely to be released the next 10 years if this game dies shortly after its release?

People are saying that we should wait for PGI to deliver a good product before we pay, but since I stopped playing Mechwarrior 4, I have done my share of waiting for a promising Mechwarrior title. I want the series to stay alive, so I'm supporting PGI as a means to an end. I'm in this to keep Battletech alive in the video game format, not to help PGI or this game specifically.

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

because I've lost control of my life


to be fair i'm waiting to see what the next two patches will bring before i make a decision

[ryoma]

Hexenhammer, on 30 June 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

That's a great idea. Lets totally boycott the Phoenix project. That will send a clear message to PGI to fix their game. It will also send a clear message to IGP that MWO is dead and the sooner they pull the plug on MWO the sooner we get back to playing Multiplayer BattleTech 3025.

I've got a totally crazy idea! Ok so..... Let's take our money.... we take our money... and instead we spend it on stuff in the game that they did well?

Viable Hero mechs? Buy those. Premium time? Buy it up. GXP conversion? Go at it. Cosmetic items when they're on sale? GRAB EM UP!

If you're gonna buy a Phoenix pack, buy an 80$ one. Don't buy the 20-60 because they're ****. Hopefully on the next one they'll make the cheaper packs viable. Till then only spend money on the parts of MWO PGI does right.