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[Noodlesoup]

"two weeks ™"

[Tennex]

Lol i think we expected delays at this point.

They tend to overpredict their development speed
So everything they say i add about another 2 months to the release

The release date will be pushed back as well.

[JokerVictor]

Tennex, on 29 May 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

Lol i think we expected delays at this point.

They tend to overpredict their development speed
So everything they say i add about another 2 months to the release

The release date will be pushed back as well.

Yes, we expected delays. We also expected some progress to go with that. Any new features since open beta went live? Oh right, ECM... that was a winner. Mechs and maps do nothing to change the staleness of the gameplay. This is literally the exact same game we were playing 10 months ago, albeit with better netcode and MOAR PPC's.

Edit: I should also add that the shift to the sniper meta in the past 2 months has completely ruined what fun this game was. And then the continual nerfing of the brawling weapons has made driving anything but an assault mech completely stupid. That's called gameplay regression, and PGI have proven to be pros at moving in all of the wrong directions, or just not moving at all (actually... mainly this).

Release? Any takers on it being pushed back to Summer 2014?

Edited by JokerVictor, 29 May 2013 - 05:26 PM.

[Kaspirikay]

They should take a lesson from Blizzard and only use Soom™ lolololol

[Mokou]

Noodlesoup, on 29 May 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

"two weeks ™"

[Franchi]

You mean that people still think PGI is capable of doing something other than tripping over themselves and bastardizing the Mechwarrior IP?

BWUAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA!!!!!

[SirLANsalot]

The frustration people have is the fact there is nothing to be fighting FOR in this game. Each battle has no real meaning to it, which is why I don't play as much as I used to. Mechs are fun, don't get me wrong and I still love fighting big stompy robots, but thats gets old, fast, when there is no meaning to it.

The two key features I am waiting for, and more or less am biding my time for are these.

CW (12v12/Planetary Conquest/Dropship mode)
DX11

The game should not launch, AT ALL, without those two things being in the game.

[jeffsw6]

JokerVictor, on 29 May 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Does anyone still actually have hope this game is going to be anything more than a half-baked t*rd till the servers shut down for good? They've missed quite literally every single timeline goal they set.

This is not unusual for a game studio, or really, any big project. Blizzard, for example, just gutted the whole development team for Titan and pushed its release way back. They can afford to do that only because they have a cash cow -- World of Warcraft. I don't think PGI has a cash cow.

Blizzard Titan news link: http://www.ign.com/a...o-delayed-reset

Franchi, on 29 May 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

You mean that people still think PGI is capable of doing something other than tripping over themselves and bastardizing the Mechwarrior IP?

They have accomplished some good things. The graphics are really great for a F2P game. The audio is amazing (except the ******* whump-whump constantly when you walk, which should be optional!) The variety of mechs is increasing.

Honestly, the worst thing about the game is bad balance. I really don't think balance is that hard for a game of this low complexity. There is no healing, crowd-control, stuns, AoEs except crappy air strike, etc. They really can rush through balancing in a few weeks or less if they decide to get the public test server up, and use it for that purpose.

Might they still have trouble with splash, missile pathing, etc? Yeah, absolutely.

Can they get all the obvious weapons right as soon as they actually start trying hard? Right now, frankly, they aren't. They can't be. It has to be just not a big priority. Otherwise, they would make more frequent tweaks.

PGI has no experience with a game like this, or honestly, any decent games at all. But do I really think they are so terribad that they honestly don't know MGs are sucky? No. I think they don't care because they are working on frames-per-second, disconnects / crashes, blablah, before they mess with armaments very much.

I disagree with their priorities and I think weapon balance can be far better for minimal time investment, but I am not without hope.

[Tincan Nightmare]

Chemie, on 29 May 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

and no 12v12. Quotes from PGI back in late March was "60 days or less" for 12v12. Well, here we are past that and no 12v12.

Any predictions if they blow past 90 days (i.e. it does not happen in June patches)?

Whats crazy is has anyone seen the bug that shows a Charlie lance on the before and after matches? One match I thought 'wtf I missed when they made it 12v12' because after the match it showed 12 mechs on my team, with a Charlie lance below Bravo. Then I looked closer and the player names and scores for Charlie were the same as Bravo, so they showed up twice. Then in another match, I saw 4 players listed in Alpha, then 2 in Bravo and 2 under Charlie. Makes me wonder if they had to push it back due to some bug issue of teams not populating right.

[Thuzel]

JokerVictor, on 29 May 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Does anyone still actually have hope this game is going to be anything more than a half-baked t*rd till the servers shut down for good? They've missed quite literally every single timeline goal they set. Every major update has basically destroyed the game in some way, and you think they'll be able to pull off these ambitious changes? Lulz. I wholeheartedly believe they're putting it off because they know they're going to completely screw the pooch and drive away what paying customers they have left. If you still have hope, good sirs, I salute your persistence.

[...]

shhhhh.... the fanboys will hear you.

The truth is that PGI knows they can milk this cow for a long long time regardless of their performance. No matter how many deadlines they miss or how many times they completely go back on their word, people will still throw money at this thing.

Not sure if you saw the heavy metal release, but it spoke volumes about the spending habits of the community. I'm not sure how many they sold, but I wouldn't be surprised if the revenue exceeded a couple hundred grand from that sale alone.

They have missed almost all of their design objectives by wide margins and it hasn't made any difference at all. PGI has absolutely no incentive to improve. None whatsoever.

Edited by Thuzel, 30 May 2013 - 07:07 AM.

[JokerVictor]

jeffsw6, on 29 May 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

Lots of stuff

I disagree with their priorities and I think weapon balance can be far better for minimal time investment, but I am not without hope.

/salute
o7

[Volthorne]

Everyone in this thread should be thankful that PGI isn't running on Valve Time.

[Mokou]

Volthorne, on 29 May 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

...Valve...

HatWarrior Online

[LockeJaw]

Mokou, on 29 May 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

HatWarrior Online

Thats coming.

[Dexion]

Volthorne, on 29 May 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

Everyone in this thread should be thankful that PGI isn't running on Valve Time.

Valve has earned the right to make games on Valve time.

I have been a constant supporter. I might be critical at times, but I have always been hopeful.

Until I started watching the numbers on two TS servers declining, and in one case, more people playing other games because "Big stompy Robots has gotten boring"..

We should have been getting weekly, or at worst bi-weekly weapon balance changes for the last 6 months. A public test server should have been much higher on the priority list (it should have been opened the day after open beta started).

We should have had more game modes, to keep people interested. We have copy and Pasted Pilot trees that are exactly the same for every mech, and every class (Hey guys, that's not fun or exciting, its boring and repetitive, grinding in EQ 1 was more entertaining). We still don't have 12v12.

On the bright side, We had two day's where missiles were useful... in the last 6 months. And we got a Hard counter to ECM... instead of, you know, just Fixing ECM.

Best Looking Mechwarrior Game, Ever. Unless something changes, I fear it will be the shortest lived too.... We waited 10 years for this game, watching it die slowly is painful.

[Lindonius]

JokerVictor, on 29 May 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

Yes, we expected delays. We also expected some progress to go with that. Any new features since open beta went live? Oh right, ECM... that was a winner. Mechs and maps do nothing to change the staleness of the gameplay. This is literally the exact same game we were playing 10 months ago, albeit with better netcode and MOAR PPC's.

Similar concerns were raised on this thread:

http://mwomercs.com/...ar-anniversary/

Although since then we have been given mouse sensitivity sliders!

Just waiting on the other myriad of broken promises now.

[Marj]

I though CW was supposed to begin 90 days after the end of open beta, not 90 days after it started...

[Thomas Hogarth]

JokerVictor, on 29 May 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Does anyone still actually have hope this game is going to be anything more than a half-baked t*rd till the servers shut down for good? They've missed quite literally every single timeline goal they set. Every major update has basically destroyed the game in some way, and you think they'll be able to pull off these ambitious changes? Lulz. I wholeheartedly believe they're putting it off because they know they're going to completely screw the pooch and drive away what paying customers they have left. If you still have hope, good sirs, I salute your persistence.

My entire group , me included (that's 8 people), uninstalled. I may reinstall when the game actually includes some of those features I paid for a year ago. So in other words, I probably won't be playing this ever again.

Some fun reminders of all the things this game was supposed to have by now:

• Dropship mode
  
• Asymmetrical Objective modes
  
• DX11
  
• Lobbies
  
• In-Game Voice
  
• 12 v 12
  
• Community Warfare
  
• CLANS, ************* CLANS WERE SCHEDULED TO BE OUT BY NOW

This list is far from complete, which is really ******* sad.

You know, I'm okay with all of that due to the bold part. Especially since our naughty regions were tickled with the concept of a proper reboot back in the day.

[Cyke]

JokerVictor, on 29 May 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Does anyone still actually have hope this game is going to be anything more than a half-baked t*rd till the servers shut down for good? They've missed quite literally every single timeline goal they set. Every major update has basically destroyed the game in some way, and you think they'll be able to pull off these ambitious changes? Lulz. I wholeheartedly believe they're putting it off because they know they're going to completely screw the pooch and drive away what paying customers they have left. If you still have hope, good sirs, I salute your persistence.

I.. I don't know what to say.

You've just put into words what I've been thinking (probably what some others have been thinking too), but I was afraid to admit it to myself.
When you actually see the words there on a page and read them, suddenly there's no denying it anymore.

This is depressing.

[Thuzel]

LockeJaw, on 29 May 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

Thats coming.

It's here. It arrived when PGI started selling in-game christmas lights that cost significantly more than the real thing.