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#1 Yanlowen Cage

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 07:34 AM

just ran a match and there was a as7-rs out there running 4 er ppcs and a guass rifles. seen miserys running 4 er ppcs and a guass. jagers dual ac20's (that shoot 810 meters btw). and a huge quanity of these massive firepower builds of different designs.

Is it me or is this game broken?

Now no that guys didn't kill me. Just seeing this more and more often. Since I like to play non min/max builds it makes it hard for me to be a usefel part of a team. By none min/max I mean centurion running 1 erppc, 2 med pulse, and 2 ssrms. that is just an example not what I always run.

point being this game seems to be broken to the angle of "bring the biggest min/max build or die quickly." mentality. And I am sure there are those that say well you just d X and you can defeat that mech. What they are not seeing is that 5 to 6 of the other team is running the builds. If one don't get you the other will. How do you defeat this? take approx. the same amount of op.

I do have these min/max builds and I don't like to play them. it's like one of my clan mates said. "it's like an easy button, but i am going to hell for doing it. Cause it is so cheesy."

There are ways to mitigate this issue. Several have been discussed in the forums. All I am saying is make something happen. your losing player base this way. I have myself become so tired of it my game play on MW:O has went from many matches a day to lucky if I even get on and play anymore. Just not worth the frustration. this is not a whine post, this is a plea for sanity.

#2 Livewyr

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 07:35 AM

It's just you.

PPCs are fine.
Alphastrike boating is fine.

Nothing to see here except whiners.


*barf*

#3 Eleshod

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 07:39 AM

I've been having a blast with HAWKEN lately, alot more skill-based and no mega alphas for peaking your head out. Ill play that till the alpha boats get toned down.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 07:39 AM

View PostYanlowen Cage, on 31 May 2013 - 07:34 AM, said:

Just ran a match and there was a as7-rs out there running 4 er ppcs and a guass rifle.


You should be happy if you see an Atlas with 4 ERPPCs and a Guass rifle, he can't have much for armor, and if he's running an XL and he kills you, then you have issues..

Remember the Atlas-K trial mech..??? It was a free kill.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:25 AM

View PostOdins Fist, on 31 May 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:


You should be happy if you see an Atlas with 4 ERPPCs and a Guass rifle, he can't have much for armor, and if he's running an XL and he kills you, then you have issues..

Remember the Atlas-K trial mech..??? It was a free kill.


^This. 3 ERPPCs + Gauss is more realistic, although it already pushes the envelope in terms of heat.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:32 AM

As for AC40 jagers having 810m range, fi you consider a 2 damage alpha as a high alpha, well I can't help you. At 540m it's already a 20 damage alpha. At 700m it's mostly the same as an alpha from a 4 AC2 jager, but every 4 seconds insteal of every 0,5 seconds, and using up 0,3 tons of ammo every shot.

4 ERPPC Atlas with Gauss? Come on, those would not have armor and would have so small an engine you could outrun it even when legged.

I agree there is a problem with multi-ppc setups, and it's being looked into currently, so stating on the forums that it's a problem is so useless it's funny.

#7 Yanlowen Cage

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:34 AM

you are all missing the point. it's not 1 of these a match, it's a crapload on both teams. I am tired of this being the norm. Really kills the game for everyone who doesn't want to run massive assualt direct fire platforms or massive missile boats or even the massive firepower heavies. It's the "everything is fine" hiding your head in the sand attitude that is not only allowing this to continue, but to be considered what the game should be. Sorry your all probably KDR stat players and could care if the game is broken. As long as it's broken in a sense that let's you pad you stats.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:38 AM

Just stated that you were wrong on your facts. All of them. I just tried fitting 4 ERPPC in an atlas, it's not viable. As in, it should actually help you when there is many of those on the other team.

The PPC boating is, however, a problem. A problem that is known and being looking into. Stating a known problem is like masturbation without the fun part.

You are either wrong or exaggerating, and using that to illustrate a known and aknowledged fact.

By the way I regularly ride my Jenner and I'm having a blast with it. I'm not a pop-tarting PPCer.

Edited by Ridiculous, 31 May 2013 - 08:39 AM.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:39 AM

Not sure how you usually play, but in the 8 mans i've seen a lot of variety on builds, and boatsnipers are not the end all be all.

However, it seems to pay off in pugstomping to bring your ppc boat / jumper, because people aren't coordinating attacks or being aware of what's happening to others. You'll easily find a lemming train lined up for the snipers to pad their KDR with.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:39 AM

join the fun!

#11 Yanlowen Cage

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:40 AM

View PostRidiculous, on 31 May 2013 - 08:32 AM, said:

As for AC40 jagers having 810m range, fi you consider a 2 damage alpha as a high alpha, well I can't help you. At 540m it's already a 20 damage alpha. At 700m it's mostly the same as an alpha from a 4 AC2 jager, but every 4 seconds insteal of every 0,5 seconds, and using up 0,3 tons of ammo every shot.

4 ERPPC Atlas with Gauss? Come on, those would not have armor and would have so small an engine you could outrun it even when legged.

I agree there is a problem with multi-ppc setups, and it's being looked into currently, so stating on the forums that it's a problem is so useless it's funny.


Really? Nothing is being done to fix the mechanics of this game. cosmetic fixes to weapon damage, range, and heat are being thrown out there and being called fixes. The game needs to be fixed at a baser level. not toying with weapons balance. In other words, stop putting on the blinders and see where the actual problems lie. Then hope they will be fixed. Which they haven't been since closed beta. Though keep denying anything is wrong. That will fix nothing.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:42 AM

I'll try to keep my points simple.

If you actually read what you quoted, I don't deny there is a problem.

I also agree PGI's solution will probably not work.

However, you are only stating a known problem, not proposing any solution or offering anything not already aknowledged by the developpers. Therefore, what you do is beyond useless. It's just being negative for the heck of it,

Edited by Ridiculous, 31 May 2013 - 08:44 AM.


#13 Yanlowen Cage

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:45 AM

View PostRidiculous, on 31 May 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

Just stated that you were wrong on your facts. All of them. I just tried fitting 4 ERPPC in an atlas, it's not viable. As in, it should actually help you when there is many of those on the other team.

The PPC boating is, however, a problem. A problem that is known and being looking into. Stating a known problem is like masturbation without the fun part.

You are either wrong or exaggerating, and using that to illustrate a known and aknowledged fact.

By the way I regularly ride my Jenner and I'm having a blast with it. I'm not a pop-tarting PPCer.

Got a picture of this build. can't get MWO to allow me to post it. Says something about invalid format. Doesn't mwo allow .BMP files
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#14 Triple Patte

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:48 AM

You are toying around my point.

It does exist.

It is not, however, viable.

As in, easy to destroy and totally inefficient.

You are still not offering a solution.

You are still just stating a known problem.

#15 Yanlowen Cage

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:49 AM

View PostRidiculous, on 31 May 2013 - 08:42 AM, said:

I'll try to keep my points simple.

If you actually read what you quoted, I don't deny there is a problem.

I also agree PGI's solution will probably not work.

However, you are only stating a known problem, not proposing any solution or offering anything not already aknowledged by the developpers. Therefore, what you do is beyond useless. It's just being negative for the heck of it,

I have made many suggestion on what could be done to fix and enhance this game. But like most other posters that make suggestions am being ignored. Also I am not flaming your posts and calling them useless. Stop trolling.

#16 Mister Blastman

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:59 AM

OP:

It is crap like this that makes me enjoy MechWarrior Living Legends even more.

#17 El Bandito

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:18 AM

Thankfully, the influx of BJ pilots kept my A1 from becoming obsolete.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:25 AM

View PostRidiculous, on 31 May 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

You are toying around my point.

It does exist.

It is not, however, viable.

As in, easy to destroy and totally inefficient.

You are still not offering a solution.

You are still just stating a known problem.


Not viable?

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...0819e0f70ae2dab

as7-rs ppc gauss boat

took me 2 seconds to make that.Max armor everywhere except 3 points off the legs(still at 81 points per leg,which is far more than enough).You could even shave weight in a few different places if you wanted a bigger engine or more gauss ammo.16 DBL hs's is enough to manage 4 ppc's and a gauss as long as you don't alpha at every cooldown.It's plenty viable.And very easy to do.

Edited by Alexandrix, 31 May 2013 - 09:26 AM.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:51 AM

View PostRidiculous, on 31 May 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

Just stated that you were wrong on your facts. All of them. I just tried fitting 4 ERPPC in an atlas, it's not viable.


He said 4-ERPPCs and a Gauss, I have seen maybe one 4-ERPPCs with a Gauss Atlas-RS if I remember correctly, and he didn't last under fire, that setup is indeed not viable at all. The weight you would have to cut for that loadout would cripple the Atlas-RS in so many ways that it's not worth the effort, plus the Gauss is fragile, end of story.

But to address the "it's not viable" statement for a 4-ERPPC Atlas, I can tell you right now it's very viable.
Running 4-ERPPCs on the Atlas RS is no sweat at 1.26 Heat, yeah you still have to watch how you fire, but even with the low slung arm mounts I have myself done quite well with a 4-ERPPC and "NO" Gauss. Very well :(

F.Y.I., putting the XL engine in an Atlas is a rookie mistake for cutting weight, can you say "Time Bomb"?

Edited by Odins Fist, 31 May 2013 - 09:54 AM.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:56 AM

View PostAlexandrix, on 31 May 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:


Not viable?

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...0819e0f70ae2dab

as7-rs ppc gauss boat

took me 2 seconds to make that.Max armor everywhere except 3 points off the legs(still at 81 points per leg,which is far more than enough).You could even shave weight in a few different places if you wanted a bigger engine or more gauss ammo.16 DBL hs's is enough to manage 4 ppc's and a gauss as long as you don't alpha at every cooldown.It's plenty viable.And very easy to do.


If you had spent more than 2 seconds reading this thread, you would have realized that we were talking about ERPPCs, not regular ones. Besides, the viability of an Atlas with less than 325 engine is highly debatable.





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