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RG Notch, on 03 June 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

HATS!!!!! ******* HATS!!!!!!

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BlackIronTarkus, on 03 June 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

THAT! Thats is exactly the problem. Also you are contradicting yourself with the last sentence because indeed a free player cannot be competitive in a free stalker compared to a paid stalker.

No, I am not contradicting myself. Just because it's a free game doesn't mean that you get all the options for free. As long as you get equally competitive options for free, it is not P2W. As I said, you can build an atlas with mainly the same loadout as the Misery, for free. It sounds like you are really complaining that you can't build the exact loadout you want on the chassis you want. Whether that's acceptable to you is your opinion, but it's not really P2W. Personally I feel it's very fair.

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BlackIronTarkus, on 03 June 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

Its not an argument, people prove me that you can have the same consumable as paying custumers. Its fact, its not pay to win.

I personnaly think that heros mech are pay to win. Thats it, I did bring my points to prove that and you ignore them. I wont dicuss this anymore. I can rehiterate my point for the last time;

This is an exemple, it doesnt matter what mech it is.

A free player want to play one mech in particular.
He looks at the variants and notice that one variant is superior in a specific role that this player want to play as.
Since he is a free player he doesnt have access to that particular variant, so he choose a free one instead that is as close as possible as the hero mech for his desired role.
Once ingame, there are only two mech left at full health. Both have the exact same skill level.
One is the paid mech the other one is the free mech. Both have almost identical loadout, but the paid mech have 1 more hardpoint.
They fight and the paid mech win.

The player with the paid mech had an advantage over the free player and won.

Anyway thats the way I see it.

That is an opinion and not a fact. I asked for empirical evidence, yet it cannot be provided. Only anecdotal accounts instead. I can easily counter that with my own. Both my Raven and my Jagermech have yet to be defeated by any combination of Hero mechs. Mechs I have purchased with CBills alone have outright murdered all hero mechs they have encountered.

Pay to win? So far its looking like pay to lose. At least against me. And thats how -I- see it.

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Win/loss, kill/death ratio have absolutly nothing to do with this problem because of all the factors that can void the tests in a normal game such as your teamates, your positionning, latency or simply your skill level compared to the other player. You need a controlled enviromenement which we dont have so its impossible for me to prove anything but invent a scenario that demonstrate how a paid mech could be better than a non-paid mech.

So, now that we all agree to disagree, CAN WE PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE OTHER POINTS, thank you.

No. Like you I am an adult and make my own decisions. However, unlike you, I haven't taken offense, quite the contrary in fact. So sorry, I do not agree to disagree. And therefore I will argue these points as -I- see fit. You could delete this thread. That is an option. Whether you do or not is up to you.

But you will not silence me just because you don't like the can of worms -You- have opened.