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[Carrioncrows]

Vasily Krasnaya Smert Rasputin, on 05 June 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

am brand new player. Have 4 matches so far. Wanna save moeny for my favortie TT mech, the Victor, so dont wan't to use everything I earn right now, but what is a good, affordable mech?

I HATE the Atlas and Cataphract trials, move way too slow. Got killed by a Commando by itslef because I could never turn to face the little *******.

The Hunch moves OK but boy is it HOT!

Get a Trebuchet, 50 tons - I would recommend the 5J or the 7M. Good mix of energy and missiles allowing you to stay at range and rack up damage, or when the mood strikes you to build a fast striker mech to be-bop around the map getting in peoples faces. It's a real work horse.

Also what's good is the ever the all around solid Jagermech, specifically the JM6-A, there is nothing that mech can't do, missile boat, dual gauss, dual ac20's, dual ppc's the list goes on.

[James Warren]

I'm hoping eventually there'll be a pool of enough © community mechs so that trial mech rotations can be drawn exclusively from a list of effective builds. This will help new players start customising too, since they'll have been exposed to some good builds before they buy a stock mech.

Maybe trial mechs should even have the basic tier of efficiencies unlocked, to give players a better representation of what these chassis are capable of.

Edited by James Warren, 06 June 2013 - 10:30 PM.

[Deathlike]

James Warren, on 06 June 2013 - 10:28 PM, said:

Maybe trial mechs should even have the basic tier of efficiencies unlocked, to give players a better representation of what these chassis are capable of.

I've suggested that, but no dice. Letting trial mech users suffer with SHS and poor stock designs will scar/scare anyone in this game.

[Sephlock]

@ the OP:

I think you're misunderstanding something here.

You're thinking that the "Trial" in Trial mech is using definition 2a or 2b. In fact, they're using definitions 4 and 5.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trial

tri·al (trl, trl)
n.
1. Law Examination of evidence and applicable law by a competent tribunal to determine the issue of specified charges or claims.

2.
a. The act or process of testing, trying, or putting to the proof: a trial of one's faith.

b. An instance of such testing, especially as part of a series of tests or experiments: a clinical trial of a drug.

3. An effort or attempt: succeeded on the third trial.

4. A state of pain or anguish that tests patience, endurance, or belief: "the fiery trial through which we pass" (Abraham Lincoln).

5. A trying, troublesome, or annoying person or thing: The child was a trial to his parents.

6. A preliminary competition or test to determine qualifications, as in a sport.

[Kyynele]

Vasily Krasnaya Smert Rasputin, on 05 June 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

well the hunchback was not terrible, jst hot.I think I want a medium because the heavier ones seem to be too slow to be good against lights. But I don't want to have to buy DHS right away either. Was thinking about Jenner, or HBK-SP? Everyone seems to hate Blackjacks. Maybe aDragon or a K2? But are they really slow to manuever like the Cataphract trial?

I don't want to disourage, but the Hunchback 4P (3.6m) + Double Heat Sinks (1.5m) + Standard 260 Engine (1.6m) + Endo Steel Structure (0.5m) + Some Heat Sinks and Lasers = 7.4m is probably about the cheapest good mech you an get. Build here: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...df4231fb1dc9fa7

It'll still be one of the hottest mechs in game, but it will cool a lot faster and it will move a lot faster. It qualifies for a good mech.

With Jenner, or any light mech, you will pretty much NEED to have DHS, Endo, Ferro-Fibrous AND an XL Engine (around 5m extra) to move fast and do some damage while at it. Most of those will easily go way past 10m in total price, and are serious death traps if you don't pay it all.

HBK-4SP is nice, but will likely require Artemis upgrade as well making it more expensive than the 4P build above.

I've found the Blackjack 1X with 8 Medium Lasers to be quite decent competitor to the 4P, actually, but it requires an XL Engine besides the other upgrades, so will end up much more expensive.

Dragons and Catapults have very small side torsos, which means most of their good builds will likely have XL Engines.

That being said, buying Premium Time and getting pretty much any somewhat optimized mech (= at least DHS, and the biggest engine reasonable for the loadout and chassis) will get you C-Bills back fast enough to buy new mechs regularly. I'd recommend buying a mech you really want to play instead of one you think will be cheap, since you will be stuck with it for a while.

[aniviron]

Kyynele, on 07 June 2013 - 01:09 AM, said:

I don't want to disourage, but the Hunchback 4P (3.6m) + Double Heat Sinks (1.5m) + Standard 260 Engine (1.6m) + Endo Steel Structure (0.5m) + Some Heat Sinks and Lasers = 7.4m is probably about the cheapest good mech you an get. Build here: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...df4231fb1dc9fa7

If you do go the 4P route, I definitely recommend swapping out a few things for some more DHS. I run http://mwo.smurfy-ne...3df741467ea87ea and have been pretty consistently pulling a 5kd ratio with it, and get within the top ten on medium leaderboards every time a medium tournament comes around. The ability to keep firing is more than worth losing an arm every now and then- if they're hitting your arms be thankful.

Although I guess you should take my advice with a grain of salt, Stone Profit did say that he thinks I am a baddie on the previous page. YMMV, as with any mech build.

[Blood Rose]

Personnaly i like the currwent trials-are "core" ones (medium and heavy) are both better than the tinfoil target (Jaeger) and slow sloth (Hunchy) we had before. the hunchy was good but once you lost your AC20 then that was you main weapon gone. And everyone targetted it.....
The Jaeger was allright once mastered, you had to use ever ounce of cover and keep your hull down, but lacked armour for what it was. It also suffered from a sevre lack of ammunition for its main guns-only 20 seconds of firing for the AC2. It also suffered from heat issues-if you fired those AC2's on full auto then you would be cooking in about 5 seconds.

Currently the trial mechs are good, apar from the spider. Anyone in the trial spider is to be considered a walking target. The Atlas also has a few to many weapons for a newb but then again its not much different to the Highlander from the last load.

And as for a good 1st purchase mech? If your going medium i would advise either a Centurion-the basic model is a great chassis as are all of them, with a balanced loadout and a good allround performance. The alternative is a Hunchy. Whilst i am not to surte on the basic build it does have a good amount of armour, although it is a little slow. If this is your choice i would advise an Endo-steel structure and up armouring in quick order. Also an up-rated engine will work wonders. The Hunchy in its basic and 4P form is a great Juggernaught (fluff-wise this is what it was built to be) but it also comes in long range forms and, i think, some brawler forms.

As for a heavy i would say to go for either a Catapult-i got a K2 (just please no cheese builds) or a Cataphract or Dragon. The first chassis is a good long range fire support/artillery one and the last 2 can be good brawlers or even juggernaughts with a few tweaks

[Stone Profit]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 June 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

not far off. Can't get the hang of CapWarrior Online. Current Meta makes Poptarting look fun and exciting. NEver thought I would say that, but it's nothing but mad caprushes all night. Don't mind it when people pull one out of need, but seriously, where is the fun in standing in a red box?

I had only one caprush last night. hmm dont know what to tell ya man, were you solo or grouped?

[MeiSooHaityu]

PGI knows the trial mechs are a bit ehhh I think, but want to have them be default TT mechs anyway. I think their solution to this was the C-Bill bonus after 25 matches. With that bonus, you can finally buy the mech you want.

I'm not sure that is the greatest idea (some people will just be frustrated and leave before 25 games). Despite this though, with the C-Bill bonus, you won't have to stay in a trial mech for too long anyway.

[Bishop Steiner]

Stone Profit, on 07 June 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

I had only one caprush last night. hmm dont know what to tell ya man, were you solo or grouped?

4 man and 8 man. Was really annoying.

So the one match I switch to the 3L and cap their butt on alpine (same team that did me earlier) I get epic QQing.

As for me, I was just BORED>

[General Taskeen]

I usually enjoy classic builds better. When I'm bored and need a challenge in MWO:

Trial RS (Stock) - ATLAS AS7-RS 26 13 13 1.00 28 12 2.33 6,601 13,410 02:43:21

Its definitely fairly difficult with a lower heat cap, but I think most skilled players can 'manage' them if they prefer the challenge. Its rather tough to compete with though the way certain things are currently balanced. (the overheat monster syndrome balancing of heatsinks/thresholds/etc.)

My Other Builds in the garage:

Custom AS7-D (DHS higher heat cap) - ATLAS AS7-D 24 15 9 1.67 33 8 4.13 8,199 14,935 02:33:05 (2xPPC, 1xAC/20, 2xML)

Stock (SHS) COMMANDO COM-1B 34 14 20 0.70 16 5 3.20 3,572 13,487 03:41:07 (Haven't played this in ages, since the SRM damage went down, SRM2's are poop now)

Custom Cheddar (DHS) RAVEN RVN-3L 28 16 12 1.33 30 2 15.00 5,045 15,099 03:06:50

Stock CPLT-K3 (DHS) CATAPULT CPLT-K2 7 6 1 6.00 20 0 20.00 2,802 6,191 00:44:11

Stock HBK-6N (DHS) HUNCHBACK HBK-4G 67 41 24 1.71 71 15 4.73 16,343 37,997 07:09:49

Edited by General Taskeen, 07 June 2013 - 09:25 AM.

[malibu43]

I believe they said in one of the Ask the Devs (when asked about trial mechs) that the issue of crappy trail mechs would become a non-issue with UI 2.0 and the Tutorial.

So these kinds of threads are pointless. Everyone knows their bad and (supposedly) something is being done about it.

Edited by malibu43, 07 June 2013 - 09:31 AM.

[Stone Profit]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 June 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

4 man and 8 man. Was really annoying.

So the one match I switch to the 3L and cap their butt on alpine (same team that did me earlier) I get epic QQing.

As for me, I was just BORED>

Yeah too many are hypocrites about that. But who cares about them. I run almost only four mans and havent had that problem. Sorry you have. Do you play off peak hours?

[Bishop Steiner]

hit and miss. Mostly late evenings USA central time. But can be on just about whenever. One advantage of semi-retirement.

[Sephlock]

malibu43, on 07 June 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

I believe they said in one of the Ask the Devs (when asked about trial mechs) that the issue of crappy trail mechs would become a non-issue with UI 2.0 and the Tutorial.

So these kinds of threads are pointless. Everyone knows their bad and (supposedly) something is being done about it.

Ah, that's interesting. Do you happen to remember which one it was? Because I also remember them saying Trial mechs were "here to stay".

[Kmieciu]

Maybe with UI 2.0 there will be a a chance to try every stock mech before buying it? Or even a chance to use a hero mech for a limited number of drops?

Edited by Kmieciu, 08 June 2013 - 04:10 AM.

[Sephlock]

Probably the former. Probably not the latter.

[Adridos]

Kmieciu, on 08 June 2013 - 04:07 AM, said:

Maybe with UI 2.0 there will be a a chance to try every stock mech before buying it? Or even a chance to use a hero mech for a limited number of drops?

No, they will get rid of that entirely, leaving just a tutorial whioch will give you enough funds for your first mech after it's completition.

...I still want mah' Stock-only mode...

[DemonRaziel]

Not sure which AtD it was, but they stated there will be a tutorial for the new players and they will get their first 'Mech after completing it. So the new players will then no longer be forced to grind in trials for their first 'Mech and they will also get some basic understanding of the game.

Edited by DemonRaziel, 08 June 2013 - 08:19 AM.

[General Taskeen]

Adridos, on 08 June 2013 - 04:19 AM, said:

...I still want mah' Stock-only mode...

More and more people do these days.